> heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore.
And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come from? That by itself shows current activity.
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> heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore.
And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come from? That by itself shows current activity.
Les Hammer Partner Complete Test 720 SW 14th St. Loveland, CO. 80537 Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com
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> heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore.
And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come from? That by itself shows current activity.
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Ken, I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it from another co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than that...right? As you probably saw, the original posting on this subject proportedly came from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write that after talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where the people working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be terminated. I hope that this is not the case.
Steve
-----Original Message----- From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM To: Estrin, Stephen Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Hi Stephen:
Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping development on VEE. We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to try to correct them.
Thanks,
Ken
P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product.
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM To: VRF Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond the current version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent yesterday for quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work supporting VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things like that right up to the minute they pull the plug.
-----Original Message----- From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) [mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM To: VRF Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near future by Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this?
Mike Purtell Agilent Technologies Santa Rosa
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Ken, I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it from another co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than that...right? As you probably saw, the original posting on this subject proportedly came from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write that after talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where the people working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be terminated. I hope that this is not the case.
Steve
-----Original Message----- From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM To: Estrin, Stephen Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Hi Stephen:
Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping development on VEE. We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to try to correct them.
Thanks,
Ken
P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product.
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM To: VRF Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond the current version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent yesterday for quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work supporting VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things like that right up to the minute they pull the plug.
-----Original Message----- From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) [mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM To: VRF Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near future by Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this?
Mike Purtell Agilent Technologies Santa Rosa
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Ken, I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it from another co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than that...right? As you probably saw, the original posting on this subject proportedly came from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write that after talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where the people working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be terminated. I hope that this is not the case.
Steve
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Hi Stephen:
Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping development on VEE. We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to try to correct them.
Thanks,
Ken
P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product.
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM To: VRF Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond the current version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent yesterday for quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work supporting VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things like that right up to the minute they pull the plug.
-----Original Message----- From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) [mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM To: VRF Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near future by Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this?
Mike Purtell Agilent Technologies Santa Rosa
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2654.45"><TITLE>RE: [vrf] Confirmation of Vxl Announcement</TITLE></HEAD><BODY><P><FONT SIZE=2>This is sure sign that Agilent will abandon VEE </FONT></P><P><FONT SIZE=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: Greg Wale [<A HREF="mailto:gregwale@passtechnologies.com">mailto:gregwale@passtechnologies.com</A>]</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:20 PM</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To: VRF</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: [vrf] Confirmation of Vxl Announcement</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> This is to confirm the press announcement on March 8, 2005 of </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> theintended</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> sale by PASS Technologies to Agilent Technologies of the Vxl </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> add-in for</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> integration into Agilent VEE Pro graphical programming </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> language.By tightly</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> integrating the capabilities in the Vxl products, Agilent VEE </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Pro will allow</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> users to seamlessly exchange data with Microsoft Excel as </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> well as control</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Excel to quickly create professional test reports. Since </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Agilent will move</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the Vxl capabilities directly into future versions of VEE Pro,anyone</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> wishing to purchase Vxlas a separately installable add-in </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> for use in VEE</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Pro version 7 or earliercan purchase Vxl through April 7, </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> 2005, from PASS</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Technologies: www.passtechnologies.com. After this date, Agilent will</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> provide support for existing Vxl products. </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Vxl 2.0 (99$) supports Agilent VEE Pro 6 or 7 and Vxl 1.0 </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> (79$) supports</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Agilent VEE Pro 5. The full press announcement can be viewed at:</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <A HREF="http://www.agilent.com/about/newsroom/presrel/2005/08mar-ep050" TARGET="_blank">http://www.agilent.com/about/newsroom/presrel/2005/08mar-ep050</A></FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> 31.html or</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050308/85672_1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050308/85672_1.html</A>.</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ---</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> You are currently subscribed to vrf as: William.Drago@l-3com.com</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> If you need help with the mailing list send a message to </FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</FONT><BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT></P><P><FONT SIZE=2> This e-mail and subsequent attachments may contain information which is proprietary to L-3 Communications Corporation. The contents shall not be disclosed, copied, distributed or used unless authorized by L-3 Communications Narda - East.</FONT></P>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Someone or somemorethanone has apparently confused St. Patrick's Day with April 1st (A.K.A. April |blank> Day)</font><p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">where:</font><p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">blank = Something other than a sunken ship full ovv mayonnaise. This will only be revealed on a "need to know" basis in order to avert a general panic.</font><p>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"> > heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore.
And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come from? That by itself shows current activity.
Les Hammer Partner Complete Test 720 SW 14th St. Loveland, CO. 80537 Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com
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<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Someone or somemorethanone has apparently confused St. Patrick's Day with April 1st (A.K.A. April |blank> Day)</font><p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">where:</font><p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">blank = Something other than a sunken ship full ovv mayonnaise. This will only be revealed on a "need to know" basis in order to avert a general panic.</font><p>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"> > heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore.
And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come from? That by itself shows current activity.
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<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Someone or somemorethanone has apparently confused St. Patrick's Day with April 1st (A.K.A. April |blank> Day)</font><p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">where:</font><p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">blank = Something other than a sunken ship full ovv mayonnaise. This will only be revealed on a "need to know" basis in order to avert a general panic.</font><p>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"> > heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore.
And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come from? That by itself shows current activity.
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> heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore.
And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come from? That by itself shows current activity.
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> heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore.
And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come from? That by itself shows current activity.
Les Hammer Partner Complete Test 720 SW 14th St. Loveland, CO. 80537 Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com
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-----Original Message----- From: Les Hammer [mailto:Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 PM To: VRF Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
> heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore.
And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come from? That by itself shows current activity.
Les Hammer Partner Complete Test 720 SW 14th St. Loveland, CO. 80537 Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com
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This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the cost of an upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a $200 dollar upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7 warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think Agilent is losing out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a manager and co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced 50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable Vee would be everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software package.
OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years and it's getting heavier and heavier.
Dan
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM To: VRF Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Ken, I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it from another co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than that...right? As you probably saw, the original posting on this subject proportedly came from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write that after talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where the people working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be terminated. I hope that this is not the case.
Steve
-----Original Message----- From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM To: Estrin, Stephen Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Hi Stephen:
Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping development on VEE. We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to try to correct them.
Thanks,
Ken
P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product.
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM To: VRF Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond the current version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent yesterday for quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work supporting VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things like that right up to the minute they pull the plug.
-----Original Message----- From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) [mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM To: VRF Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near future by Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this?
Mike Purtell Agilent Technologies Santa Rosa
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This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the cost of an upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a $200 dollar upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7 warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think Agilent is losing out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a manager and co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced 50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable Vee would be everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software package.
OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years and it's getting heavier and heavier.
Dan
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM To: VRF Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Ken, I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it from another co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than that...right? As you probably saw, the original posting on this subject proportedly came from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write that after talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where the people working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be terminated. I hope that this is not the case.
Steve
-----Original Message----- From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM To: Estrin, Stephen Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Hi Stephen:
Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping development on VEE. We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to try to correct them.
Thanks,
Ken
P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product.
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM To: VRF Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond the current version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent yesterday for quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work supporting VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things like that right up to the minute they pull the plug.
-----Original Message----- From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) [mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM To: VRF Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near future by Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this?
Mike Purtell Agilent Technologies Santa Rosa
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This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the cost of an upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a $200 dollar upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7 warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think Agilent is losing out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a manager and co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced 50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable Vee would be everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software package.
OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years and it's getting heavier and heavier.
Dan
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM To: VRF Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Ken, I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it from another co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently assigned to work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than that...right? As you probably saw, the original posting on this subject proportedly came from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write that after talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where the people working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be terminated. I hope that this is not the case.
Steve
-----Original Message----- From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM To: Estrin, Stephen Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Hi Stephen:
Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping development on VEE. We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to try to correct them.
Thanks,
Ken
P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product.
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM To: VRF Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
-----Original Message----- From: Estrin, Stephen Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond the current version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent yesterday for quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work supporting VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things like that right up to the minute they pull the plug.
-----Original Message----- From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) [mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM To: VRF Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near future by Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this?
Mike Purtell Agilent Technologies Santa Rosa
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> I think Agilent is losing out big time by over-pricing Vee. > C programming is so embedded in the engineering community that > it is an uphill battle to sell a manager and co-workers on the > benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows.
More than that, LabVIEW is taught at the university level, and is often on the campus computers for "free" use by the students. Once they graduate, they know LabVIEW so they get LabVIEW. Then since LabVIEW supports NI hardware so well they get NI hardware. Agilent loses twice.
-- Les Hammer, Adjunct Faculty Colorado School of Mines.
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> I think Agilent is losing out big time by over-pricing Vee. > C programming is so embedded in the engineering community that > it is an uphill battle to sell a manager and co-workers on the > benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows.
More than that, LabVIEW is taught at the university level, and is often on the campus computers for "free" use by the students. Once they graduate, they know LabVIEW so they get LabVIEW. Then since LabVIEW supports NI hardware so well they get NI hardware. Agilent loses twice.
-- Les Hammer, Adjunct Faculty Colorado School of Mines.
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> I think Agilent is losing out big time by over-pricing Vee. > C programming is so embedded in the engineering community that > it is an uphill battle to sell a manager and co-workers on the > benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows.
More than that, LabVIEW is taught at the university level, and is often on the campus computers for "free" use by the students. Once they graduate, they know LabVIEW so they get LabVIEW. Then since LabVIEW supports NI hardware so well they get NI hardware. Agilent loses twice.
-- Les Hammer, Adjunct Faculty Colorado School of Mines.
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> Are you sure that rumour wasn't started by the cabal at National Instruments
NI does not even mention VEE at their seminars. At least I do not remember it being mentioned at NI Week 2004.
-- Les Hammer
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> Are you sure that rumour wasn't started by the cabal at National Instruments
NI does not even mention VEE at their seminars. At least I do not remember it being mentioned at NI Week 2004.
-- Les Hammer
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> Are you sure that rumour wasn't started by the cabal at National Instruments
NI does not even mention VEE at their seminars. At least I do not remember it being mentioned at NI Week 2004.
-- Les Hammer
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It's amusing to see this ancient rumour popping up yet again. With all the activity of VEE TV and VEE Days (just finished up our third consecutive year of VEE Days seminars in Europe!), and the 7.0 release--with another big release to follow later this year--it's pretty obvious that it really is nothing more than a rumour that won't die.
To make it really clear: VEE is alive and well, and it's going to be around for a long time. We're continually improving it, both fixing defects and adding new features, as well as making it work better with the wide world of PC software and hardware.
By the way, just yesterday we released the VEE 7.03 patch, see the URLs below for download info. Those of you on Support should have received email notification of availability of the patch kit by now.
And Marketing has agreed to let me tell you this: we're going to be releasing a new version of VEE in a few months, and it will have a LOT of new features and improvements in it. I've seen most of the features (we talked about some of them at VEE Days), and I know you're going to like them.
Anyway, here are some useful links, in case you want to show co-workers or management what's happening with VEE these days:
<www.agilent.com/find/vee> - the main VEE page. Lots of pages linked from here. Check out these recent items: - the EDN Hot 100 Product of 2004 award that VEE recently received - the news on Agilent acquiring Vxl (makes talking to Excel from VEE pretty darn easy) from PASS Technologies - the new VEE Pro Book from Bob Angus and Tom Hulbert. Yep, a brand-new book on VEE
<www.agilent.com/find/agilentveetv> - this is the VEE TV home page, what else! We've seen Episode 1: What's New in VEE 7.0, and Episode 2: Intro to MATLAB Scripting. But you may not have seen our first VEE TV Special Report: Test Engineer of the Year. Dude, you gotta spend 10 minutes and check it out! A driverless motorcycle is something to see!
<www.agilent.com/find/adn> - come here for the VEE 7.03 patch and all other VEE downloads. Look under Software Downloads on the left, select Agilent VEE Pro.
<www.agilent.com/find/veeappdev> - VEE consultants and developers available around the world, including some of our own vrf-ers.
There's more of course, but the find/vee link above will get you to most of it if you do a bit of clicking around.
Best Regards,
Scott Bayes Software Technical Support
Agilent Technologies, Inc. 815 14th Street S.W. Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
970 679 3799 Tel 970 635 6867 Fax
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It's amusing to see this ancient rumour popping up yet again. With all the activity of VEE TV and VEE Days (just finished up our third consecutive year of VEE Days seminars in Europe!), and the 7.0 release--with another big release to follow later this year--it's pretty obvious that it really is nothing more than a rumour that won't die.
To make it really clear: VEE is alive and well, and it's going to be around for a long time. We're continually improving it, both fixing defects and adding new features, as well as making it work better with the wide world of PC software and hardware.
By the way, just yesterday we released the VEE 7.03 patch, see the URLs below for download info. Those of you on Support should have received email notification of availability of the patch kit by now.
And Marketing has agreed to let me tell you this: we're going to be releasing a new version of VEE in a few months, and it will have a LOT of new features and improvements in it. I've seen most of the features (we talked about some of them at VEE Days), and I know you're going to like them.
Anyway, here are some useful links, in case you want to show co-workers or management what's happening with VEE these days:
<www.agilent.com/find/vee> - the main VEE page. Lots of pages linked from here. Check out these recent items: - the EDN Hot 100 Product of 2004 award that VEE recently received - the news on Agilent acquiring Vxl (makes talking to Excel from VEE pretty darn easy) from PASS Technologies - the new VEE Pro Book from Bob Angus and Tom Hulbert. Yep, a brand-new book on VEE
<www.agilent.com/find/agilentveetv> - this is the VEE TV home page, what else! We've seen Episode 1: What's New in VEE 7.0, and Episode 2: Intro to MATLAB Scripting. But you may not have seen our first VEE TV Special Report: Test Engineer of the Year. Dude, you gotta spend 10 minutes and check it out! A driverless motorcycle is something to see!
<www.agilent.com/find/adn> - come here for the VEE 7.03 patch and all other VEE downloads. Look under Software Downloads on the left, select Agilent VEE Pro.
<www.agilent.com/find/veeappdev> - VEE consultants and developers available around the world, including some of our own vrf-ers.
There's more of course, but the find/vee link above will get you to most of it if you do a bit of clicking around.
Best Regards,
Scott Bayes Software Technical Support
Agilent Technologies, Inc. 815 14th Street S.W. Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
970 679 3799 Tel 970 635 6867 Fax
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It's amusing to see this ancient rumour popping up yet again. With all the activity of VEE TV and VEE Days (just finished up our third consecutive year of VEE Days seminars in Europe!), and the 7.0 release--with another big release to follow later this year--it's pretty obvious that it really is nothing more than a rumour that won't die.
To make it really clear: VEE is alive and well, and it's going to be around for a long time. We're continually improving it, both fixing defects and adding new features, as well as making it work better with the wide world of PC software and hardware.
By the way, just yesterday we released the VEE 7.03 patch, see the URLs below for download info. Those of you on Support should have received email notification of availability of the patch kit by now.
And Marketing has agreed to let me tell you this: we're going to be releasing a new version of VEE in a few months, and it will have a LOT of new features and improvements in it. I've seen most of the features (we talked about some of them at VEE Days), and I know you're going to like them.
Anyway, here are some useful links, in case you want to show co-workers or management what's happening with VEE these days:
<www.agilent.com/find/vee> - the main VEE page. Lots of pages linked from here. Check out these recent items: - the EDN Hot 100 Product of 2004 award that VEE recently received - the news on Agilent acquiring Vxl (makes talking to Excel from VEE pretty darn easy) from PASS Technologies - the new VEE Pro Book from Bob Angus and Tom Hulbert. Yep, a brand-new book on VEE
<www.agilent.com/find/agilentveetv> - this is the VEE TV home page, what else! We've seen Episode 1: What's New in VEE 7.0, and Episode 2: Intro to MATLAB Scripting. But you may not have seen our first VEE TV Special Report: Test Engineer of the Year. Dude, you gotta spend 10 minutes and check it out! A driverless motorcycle is something to see!
<www.agilent.com/find/adn> - come here for the VEE 7.03 patch and all other VEE downloads. Look under Software Downloads on the left, select Agilent VEE Pro.
<www.agilent.com/find/veeappdev> - VEE consultants and developers available around the world, including some of our own vrf-ers.
There's more of course, but the find/vee link above will get you to most of it if you do a bit of clicking around.
Best Regards,
Scott Bayes Software Technical Support
Agilent Technologies, Inc. 815 14th Street S.W. Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
970 679 3799 Tel 970 635 6867 Fax
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Yes..... This is very certain,When lab view 7 launched in India ,Same rumar was there that for VEE there is no development going on. and It is dead product now. Fortunatly in few months VEE 7 up came and it was stopped. And in India Agilent do not have strong presence of VEE. Even newcomers do not go for it ,as there are no job opportunities for VEE.Agilent must start its presence from Universities in India as National Instrument do for Labview in India.
I am sure this forum is also monitored at NI , and be preapred for such rumors.
Hope this rumors will end here for once...
Long Live VEE....
Pramod Patil Manager R & D Enercon India Ltd. 33,Silver Industrial Estate, Bhimpore Daman India
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:08:04 -0500, Pat Vittorini wrote > Are you sure that rumour wasn't started by the cabal at National > Instruments, someone in the LabView department??? > Shades of X-Files, Trust no 1. > > Pat Vittorini > Lab Manager > TenXC Wireless > * 613-591-6696 Ext 244 > * PVittorini@tenxc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Les Hammer [mailto:Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 PM > To: VRF > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone > currently assigned to work on VEE anymore. > > And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come > from? > That by itself shows current activity. > > Les Hammer > Partner > Complete Test > 720 SW 14th St. > Loveland, CO. 80537 > Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to vrf as: PVittorini@tenxc.com To > subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". > If you need help with the mailing list send a message to > "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > > --- > You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ppatil@enerconindia.net > To subscribe send a blank email to "join- > vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to > "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this > mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the > mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
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Yes..... This is very certain,When lab view 7 launched in India ,Same rumar was there that for VEE there is no development going on. and It is dead product now. Fortunatly in few months VEE 7 up came and it was stopped. And in India Agilent do not have strong presence of VEE. Even newcomers do not go for it ,as there are no job opportunities for VEE.Agilent must start its presence from Universities in India as National Instrument do for Labview in India.
I am sure this forum is also monitored at NI , and be preapred for such rumors.
Hope this rumors will end here for once...
Long Live VEE....
Pramod Patil Manager R & D Enercon India Ltd. 33,Silver Industrial Estate, Bhimpore Daman India
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:08:04 -0500, Pat Vittorini wrote > Are you sure that rumour wasn't started by the cabal at National > Instruments, someone in the LabView department??? > Shades of X-Files, Trust no 1. > > Pat Vittorini > Lab Manager > TenXC Wireless > * 613-591-6696 Ext 244 > * PVittorini@tenxc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Les Hammer [mailto:Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 PM > To: VRF > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone > currently assigned to work on VEE anymore. > > And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come > from? > That by itself shows current activity. > > Les Hammer > Partner > Complete Test > 720 SW 14th St. > Loveland, CO. 80537 > Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to vrf as: PVittorini@tenxc.com To > subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". > If you need help with the mailing list send a message to > "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > > --- > You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ppatil@enerconindia.net > To subscribe send a blank email to "join- > vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to > "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this > mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the > mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
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Yes..... This is very certain,When lab view 7 launched in India ,Same rumar was there that for VEE there is no development going on. and It is dead product now. Fortunatly in few months VEE 7 up came and it was stopped. And in India Agilent do not have strong presence of VEE. Even newcomers do not go for it ,as there are no job opportunities for VEE.Agilent must start its presence from Universities in India as National Instrument do for Labview in India.
I am sure this forum is also monitored at NI , and be preapred for such rumors.
Hope this rumors will end here for once...
Long Live VEE....
Pramod Patil Manager R & D Enercon India Ltd. 33,Silver Industrial Estate, Bhimpore Daman India
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:08:04 -0500, Pat Vittorini wrote > Are you sure that rumour wasn't started by the cabal at National > Instruments, someone in the LabView department??? > Shades of X-Files, Trust no 1. > > Pat Vittorini > Lab Manager > TenXC Wireless > * 613-591-6696 Ext 244 > * PVittorini@tenxc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Les Hammer [mailto:Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:21 PM > To: VRF > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > heard from someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone > currently assigned to work on VEE anymore. > > And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come > from? > That by itself shows current activity. > > Les Hammer > Partner > Complete Test > 720 SW 14th St. > Loveland, CO. 80537 > Les.Hammer@CompleteTest.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to vrf as: PVittorini@tenxc.com To > subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". > If you need help with the mailing list send a message to > "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > > --- > You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ppatil@enerconindia.net > To subscribe send a blank email to "join- > vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to > "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this > mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the > mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
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It IS amusing. Agilent seems to be doing more than ever before to promote VEE (though I still think they need to do more). I went out to lunch on Friday with two gentlemen from Agilent, one of which (Denis Gregoire) teachs the VEE course out of Ottawa (that's in Ontario, Canada BTW) He also told me that VEE was alive and well, and a new release (7.45?) was coming out soon. And, that VEE 8.0 was certainly being worked on.
And, I got some demo units to play with!
Reiner
-----Original Message----- From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@agilent.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:30 PM To: VRF Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Hi vrf,
> Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
It's amusing to see this ancient rumour popping up yet again...
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It IS amusing. Agilent seems to be doing more than ever before to promote VEE (though I still think they need to do more). I went out to lunch on Friday with two gentlemen from Agilent, one of which (Denis Gregoire) teachs the VEE course out of Ottawa (that's in Ontario, Canada BTW) He also told me that VEE was alive and well, and a new release (7.45?) was coming out soon. And, that VEE 8.0 was certainly being worked on.
And, I got some demo units to play with!
Reiner
-----Original Message----- From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@agilent.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:30 PM To: VRF Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Hi vrf,
> Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
It's amusing to see this ancient rumour popping up yet again...
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It IS amusing. Agilent seems to be doing more than ever before to promote VEE (though I still think they need to do more). I went out to lunch on Friday with two gentlemen from Agilent, one of which (Denis Gregoire) teachs the VEE course out of Ottawa (that's in Ontario, Canada BTW) He also told me that VEE was alive and well, and a new release (7.45?) was coming out soon. And, that VEE 8.0 was certainly being worked on.
And, I got some demo units to play with!
Reiner
-----Original Message----- From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@agilent.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:30 PM To: VRF Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
Hi vrf,
> Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
It's amusing to see this ancient rumour popping up yet again...
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I do have to say that there is a huge amount of plug and play with labview that has some great capabilities, but in my experience (which is limited compared with the knowledge base reading this) I've never gotten the canned code that comes for third party test equipment or labview products to work in complex programs. I do end up trying to figure out what these do and then reimplimenting them in VEE, which is much easier. I think the day that my labview program driving my NI Daq card using all labview's drivers and VI's drove a digital pin on the card to high and low 20+ times before my program strated running was the last straw. I reimplimented everything down to the configuring of the card in VEE, and have never had the same problem since. Probably was just that I could not figure out how on earth to setup the daq card in Labview, but then again I can't read icons that small.
On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, Linux proclaiming undergrad about not using Labview (contradiction?). Just when I felt solidarity with Mac users in a PC world, I'm now again lost, and looking for people like me as strange as we may be.
What to do, what to do...
Matt
P.S. Just for common knowledge sake, NI reads this list too.
Davis, Jeff wrote:
>I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust. > >It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By the time that you figure out what you need to buy with Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the superior product has lost to the more widely advertised product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game. > >1. NI has more people supporting their tools. >2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget). >3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the technical schools and Universities in the USA. >4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView current and adding capability. >5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards. > >The KICKER: > >Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on VEE. Here is what you will see; > >1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339 >2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16 > >It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work > >Jeff Davis >CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies >Embedded Systems and Electronics >3137 E Elwood #160 >Phoenix, Arizona 85034 >Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226) >Cell: (480)330-1431 >Fax: (602)431-4435 > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Williams, Dan [mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com] >>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM >>To: VRF >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >> >>This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has >>against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the >>cost of an >>upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a >>$200 dollar >>upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7 >>warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think >>Agilent is losing >>out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the >>engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a >>manager and >>co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the >>price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced >>50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable >>Vee would be >>everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long >>gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a >>premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream >>upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software >>package. >> >>OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years >>and it's getting heavier and heavier. >> >>Dan >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM >>To: VRF >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >> >>Ken, >>I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it >>from another >>co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from >>someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently >>assigned to >>work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than >>that...right? As >>you probably saw, the original posting on this subject >>proportedly came >>from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a >>similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write >>that after >>talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came >>away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no >>basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where >>the people >>working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be >>terminated. I hope that this is not the case. >> >>Steve >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM >>To: Estrin, Stephen >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >>Hi Stephen: >> >>Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE >>Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping >>development on VEE. >>We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to >>try to correct them. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ken >> >>P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM >>To: VRF >>Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Estrin, Stephen >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM >>To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >>I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent >>and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond >>the current >>version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent >>yesterday for >>quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and >>VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the >>future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work >>supporting >>VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the >>rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things >>like that >>right up to the minute they pull the plug. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) >>[mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM >>To: VRF >>Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >>I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near >>future by >>Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this? >> >>Mike Purtell >>Agilent Technologies >>Santa Rosa >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com To >>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com To >>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: Dan.Williams@analog.com To >>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: jeff.davis@cdi-es.com >>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>This e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of all >>known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control >>Center. 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I do have to say that there is a huge amount of plug and play with labview that has some great capabilities, but in my experience (which is limited compared with the knowledge base reading this) I've never gotten the canned code that comes for third party test equipment or labview products to work in complex programs. I do end up trying to figure out what these do and then reimplimenting them in VEE, which is much easier. I think the day that my labview program driving my NI Daq card using all labview's drivers and VI's drove a digital pin on the card to high and low 20+ times before my program strated running was the last straw. I reimplimented everything down to the configuring of the card in VEE, and have never had the same problem since. Probably was just that I could not figure out how on earth to setup the daq card in Labview, but then again I can't read icons that small.
On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, Linux proclaiming undergrad about not using Labview (contradiction?). Just when I felt solidarity with Mac users in a PC world, I'm now again lost, and looking for people like me as strange as we may be.
What to do, what to do...
Matt
P.S. Just for common knowledge sake, NI reads this list too.
Davis, Jeff wrote:
>I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust. > >It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By the time that you figure out what you need to buy with Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the superior product has lost to the more widely advertised product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game. > >1. NI has more people supporting their tools. >2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget). >3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the technical schools and Universities in the USA. >4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView current and adding capability. >5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards. > >The KICKER: > >Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on VEE. Here is what you will see; > >1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339 >2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16 > >It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work > >Jeff Davis >CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies >Embedded Systems and Electronics >3137 E Elwood #160 >Phoenix, Arizona 85034 >Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226) >Cell: (480)330-1431 >Fax: (602)431-4435 > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Williams, Dan [mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com] >>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM >>To: VRF >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >> >>This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has >>against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the >>cost of an >>upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a >>$200 dollar >>upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7 >>warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think >>Agilent is losing >>out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the >>engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a >>manager and >>co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the >>price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced >>50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable >>Vee would be >>everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long >>gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a >>premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream >>upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software >>package. >> >>OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years >>and it's getting heavier and heavier. >> >>Dan >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM >>To: VRF >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >> >>Ken, >>I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it >>from another >>co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from >>someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently >>assigned to >>work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than >>that...right? As >>you probably saw, the original posting on this subject >>proportedly came >>from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a >>similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write >>that after >>talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came >>away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no >>basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where >>the people >>working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be >>terminated. I hope that this is not the case. >> >>Steve >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM >>To: Estrin, Stephen >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >>Hi Stephen: >> >>Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE >>Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping >>development on VEE. >>We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to >>try to correct them. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ken >> >>P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM >>To: VRF >>Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Estrin, Stephen >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM >>To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >>I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent >>and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond >>the current >>version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent >>yesterday for >>quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and >>VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the >>future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work >>supporting >>VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the >>rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things >>like that >>right up to the minute they pull the plug. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) >>[mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM >>To: VRF >>Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >>I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near >>future by >>Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this? >> >>Mike Purtell >>Agilent Technologies >>Santa Rosa >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com To >>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com To >>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: Dan.Williams@analog.com To >>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: jeff.davis@cdi-es.com >>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>This e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of all >>known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control >>Center. 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I do have to say that there is a huge amount of plug and play with labview that has some great capabilities, but in my experience (which is limited compared with the knowledge base reading this) I've never gotten the canned code that comes for third party test equipment or labview products to work in complex programs. I do end up trying to figure out what these do and then reimplimenting them in VEE, which is much easier. I think the day that my labview program driving my NI Daq card using all labview's drivers and VI's drove a digital pin on the card to high and low 20+ times before my program strated running was the last straw. I reimplimented everything down to the configuring of the card in VEE, and have never had the same problem since. Probably was just that I could not figure out how on earth to setup the daq card in Labview, but then again I can't read icons that small.
On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, Linux proclaiming undergrad about not using Labview (contradiction?). Just when I felt solidarity with Mac users in a PC world, I'm now again lost, and looking for people like me as strange as we may be.
What to do, what to do...
Matt
P.S. Just for common knowledge sake, NI reads this list too.
Davis, Jeff wrote:
>I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust. > >It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By the time that you figure out what you need to buy with Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the superior product has lost to the more widely advertised product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game. > >1. NI has more people supporting their tools. >2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget). >3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the technical schools and Universities in the USA. >4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView current and adding capability. >5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards. > >The KICKER: > >Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on VEE. Here is what you will see; > >1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339 >2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16 > >It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work > >Jeff Davis >CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies >Embedded Systems and Electronics >3137 E Elwood #160 >Phoenix, Arizona 85034 >Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226) >Cell: (480)330-1431 >Fax: (602)431-4435 > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Williams, Dan [mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com] >>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM >>To: VRF >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >> >>This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has >>against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the >>cost of an >>upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a >>$200 dollar >>upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7 >>warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think >>Agilent is losing >>out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the >>engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a >>manager and >>co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the >>price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced >>50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable >>Vee would be >>everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long >>gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a >>premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream >>upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software >>package. >> >>OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years >>and it's getting heavier and heavier. >> >>Dan >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM >>To: VRF >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >> >>Ken, >>I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it >>from another >>co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from >>someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently >>assigned to >>work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than >>that...right? As >>you probably saw, the original posting on this subject >>proportedly came >>from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a >>similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write >>that after >>talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came >>away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no >>basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where >>the people >>working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be >>terminated. I hope that this is not the case. >> >>Steve >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM >>To: Estrin, Stephen >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >>Hi Stephen: >> >>Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE >>Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping >>development on VEE. >>We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to >>try to correct them. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ken >> >>P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM >>To: VRF >>Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Estrin, Stephen >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM >>To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >>I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent >>and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond >>the current >>version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent >>yesterday for >>quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and >>VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the >>future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work >>supporting >>VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the >>rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things >>like that >>right up to the minute they pull the plug. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) >>[mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM >>To: VRF >>Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee >> >>I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near >>future by >>Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this? >> >>Mike Purtell >>Agilent Technologies >>Santa Rosa >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com To >>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com To >>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: Dan.Williams@analog.com To >>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: jeff.davis@cdi-es.com >>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". >>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to >>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>This e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of all >>known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control >>Center. 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I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust.
It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By the time that you figure out what you need to buy with Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the superior product has lost to the more widely advertised product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game.
1. NI has more people supporting their tools. 2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget). 3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the technical schools and Universities in the USA. 4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView current and adding capability. 5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards.
The KICKER:
Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on VEE. Here is what you will see;
1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339 2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16
It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work
Jeff Davis CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies Embedded Systems and Electronics 3137 E Elwood #160 Phoenix, Arizona 85034 Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226) Cell: (480)330-1431 Fax: (602)431-4435
> -----Original Message----- > From: Williams, Dan [mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM > To: VRF > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has > against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the > cost of an > upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a > $200 dollar > upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7 > warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think > Agilent is losing > out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the > engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a > manager and > co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the > price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced > 50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable > Vee would be > everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long > gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a > premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream > upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software > package. > > OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years > and it's getting heavier and heavier. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM > To: VRF > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > Ken, > I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it > from another > co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from > someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently > assigned to > work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than > that...right? As > you probably saw, the original posting on this subject > proportedly came > from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a > similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write > that after > talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came > away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no > basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where > the people > working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be > terminated. I hope that this is not the case. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM > To: Estrin, Stephen > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > Hi Stephen: > > Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE > Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping > development on VEE. > We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to > try to correct them. > > Thanks, > > Ken > > P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM > To: VRF > Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estrin, Stephen > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM > To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent > and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond > the current > version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent > yesterday for > quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and > VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the > future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work > supporting > VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the > rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things > like that > right up to the minute they pull the plug. > > -----Original Message----- > From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) > [mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM > To: VRF > Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near > future by > Agilent and HP. 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I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust.
It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By the time that you figure out what you need to buy with Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the superior product has lost to the more widely advertised product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game.
1. NI has more people supporting their tools. 2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget). 3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the technical schools and Universities in the USA. 4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView current and adding capability. 5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards.
The KICKER:
Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on VEE. Here is what you will see;
1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339 2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16
It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Williams, Dan [mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM > To: VRF > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has > against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the > cost of an > upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a > $200 dollar > upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7 > warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think > Agilent is losing > out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the > engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a > manager and > co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the > price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced > 50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable > Vee would be > everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long > gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a > premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream > upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software > package. > > OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years > and it's getting heavier and heavier. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM > To: VRF > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > Ken, > I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it > from another > co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from > someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently > assigned to > work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than > that...right? As > you probably saw, the original posting on this subject > proportedly came > from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a > similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write > that after > talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came > away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no > basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where > the people > working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be > terminated. I hope that this is not the case. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM > To: Estrin, Stephen > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > Hi Stephen: > > Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE > Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping > development on VEE. > We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to > try to correct them. > > Thanks, > > Ken > > P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM > To: VRF > Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estrin, Stephen > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM > To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent > and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond > the current > version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent > yesterday for > quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and > VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the > future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work > supporting > VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the > rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things > like that > right up to the minute they pull the plug. > > -----Original Message----- > From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) > [mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM > To: VRF > Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near > future by > Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this? > > Mike Purtell > Agilent Technologies > Santa Rosa > > --- > You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com To > subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". > If you need help with the mailing list send a message to > "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com To > subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". > If you need help with the mailing list send a message to > "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to vrf as: Dan.Williams@analog.com To > subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". > If you need help with the mailing list send a message to > "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > > --- > You are currently subscribed to vrf as: jeff.davis@cdi-es.com > To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". > If you need help with the mailing list send a message to > "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". > > _____________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of all > known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control > Center. 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I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust.
It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By the time that you figure out what you need to buy with Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the superior product has lost to the more widely advertised product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game.
1. NI has more people supporting their tools. 2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget). 3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the technical schools and Universities in the USA. 4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView current and adding capability. 5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards.
The KICKER:
Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on VEE. Here is what you will see;
1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339 2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16
It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Williams, Dan [mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM > To: VRF > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has > against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the > cost of an > upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a > $200 dollar > upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7 > warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think > Agilent is losing > out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the > engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a > manager and > co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the > price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced > 50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable > Vee would be > everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long > gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a > premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream > upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software > package. > > OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years > and it's getting heavier and heavier. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM > To: VRF > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > Ken, > I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it > from another > co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from > someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently > assigned to > work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than > that...right? As > you probably saw, the original posting on this subject > proportedly came > from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a > similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write > that after > talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came > away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no > basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where > the people > working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be > terminated. I hope that this is not the case. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM > To: Estrin, Stephen > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > Hi Stephen: > > Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE > Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping > development on VEE. > We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to > try to correct them. > > Thanks, > > Ken > > P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM > To: VRF > Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estrin, Stephen > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM > To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' > Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent > and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond > the current > version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent > yesterday for > quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and > VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the > future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work > supporting > VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the > rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things > like that > right up to the minute they pull the plug. > > -----Original Message----- > From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) > [mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM > To: VRF > Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near > future by > Agilent and HP. 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> On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, > Linux proclaiming undergrad about not using Labview > (contradiction?).
I don't think a whole heckuvalot of that crowd. Having interacted with the open-source community quite a bit lately, I find them full of Windows attitude. At least as far as PHP goes. A friend of mine uses a lot of GNU tools for design, layout and microprogramming and he hasn't seen the same thing. He says he's found the developer community invaluably helpful. I guess I'm talking to the wrong people -SHAWN-
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> On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, > Linux proclaiming undergrad about not using Labview > (contradiction?).
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> On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, > Linux proclaiming undergrad about not using Labview > (contradiction?).
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Is there a simple vee way to write a file to a directory that does not exist. That is, create the file and the directories.
Ex. we have C:Bob available. I'd like to write to C:HarryTomfilename
So I'd like VEE to create Harry and Tom, before writing filename.
Thanks,
P.S. I lost the address to Shawn's archive, can you post it again.
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Is there a simple vee way to write a file to a directory that does not exist. That is, create the file and the directories.
Ex. we have C:Bob available. I'd like to write to C:HarryTomfilename
So I'd like VEE to create Harry and Tom, before writing filename.
Thanks,
P.S. I lost the address to Shawn's archive, can you post it again.
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Is there a simple vee way to write a file to a directory that does not exist. That is, create the file and the directories.
Ex. we have C:Bob available. I'd like to write to C:HarryTomfilename
So I'd like VEE to create Harry and Tom, before writing filename.
Thanks,
P.S. I lost the address to Shawn's archive, can you post it again.
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<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7226.0"><TITLE>Re: [vrf] Future ovv Vee</TITLE></HEAD><BODY><DIV id=idOWAReplyText67918 dir=ltr><DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=3>One thing that I have noticed at our facility is that all of the custom activeX is a problem for the group of labview users. They say that I had it created specifically for VEE, yet is use the controls in VB,VB.Net and Web pages. I guess if that not being able to use activex easily in Labview they place blame some place else. </FONT></DIV><DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV></DIV><DIV dir=ltr>Bob</DIV><DIV dir=ltr> </DIV><DIV dir=ltr><BR> </DIV><DIV dir=ltr><HR tabIndex=-1></DIV><DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B></B>tthew W Grabowski [mailto:matthew.grabowski@colorado.edu]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Mon 21-Mar-05 13:31<BR><B>To:</B> VRF<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR></FONT><BR></DIV><DIV><P><FONT size=2>Hey,<BR><BR>I do have to say that there is a huge amount of plug and play with<BR>labview that has some great capabilities, but in my experience (which is<BR>limited compared with the knowledge base reading this) I've never gotten<BR>the canned code that comes for third party test equipment or labview<BR>products to work in complex programs. I do end up trying to figure out<BR>what these do and then reimplimenting them in VEE, which is much easier.<BR>I think the day that my labview program driving my NI Daq card using all<BR>labview's drivers and VI's drove a digital pin on the card to high and<BR>low 20+ times before my program strated running was the last straw. I<BR>reimplimented everything down to the configuring of the card in VEE, and<BR>have never had the same problem since. Probably was just that I could<BR>not figure out how on earth to setup the daq card in Labview, but then<BR>again I can't read icons that small.<BR><BR>On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, Linux proclaiming<BR>undergrad about not using Labview (contradiction?). Just when I felt<BR>solidarity with Mac users in a PC world, I'm now again lost, and looking<BR>for people like me as strange as we may be.<BR><BR>What to do, what to do...<BR><BR>Matt<BR><BR>P.S. Just for common knowledge sake, NI reads this list too.<BR><BR><BR>Davis, Jeff wrote:<BR><BR>>I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust.<BR>><BR>>It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By the time that you figure out what you need to buy with Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the superior product has lost to the more widely advertised product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game.<BR>><BR>>1. NI has more people supporting their tools.<BR>>2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget).<BR>>3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the technical schools and Universities in the USA.<BR>>4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView current and adding capability.<BR>>5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards.<BR>><BR>>The KICKER:<BR>><BR>>Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on VEE. Here is what you will see;<BR>><BR>>1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339<BR>>2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16<BR>><BR>>It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work <BR>><BR>>Jeff Davis<BR>>CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies<BR>>Embedded Systems and Electronics<BR>>3137 E Elwood #160<BR>>Phoenix, Arizona 85034<BR>>Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)<BR>>Cell: (480)330-1431<BR>>Fax: (602)431-4435<BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Williams, Dan [<A href="mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com">mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has<BR>>>against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the<BR>>>cost of an<BR>>>upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a<BR>>>$200 dollar<BR>>>upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7<BR>>>warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think<BR>>>Agilent is losing<BR>>>out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the<BR>>>engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a<BR>>>manager and<BR>>>co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the<BR>>>price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced<BR>>>50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable<BR>>>Vee would be<BR>>>everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long<BR>>>gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a<BR>>>premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream<BR>>>upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software<BR>>>package.<BR>>><BR>>>OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years<BR>>>and it's getting heavier and heavier.<BR>>><BR>>>Dan<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Estrin, Stephen [<A href="mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com">mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Ken,<BR>>>I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it<BR>>>from another<BR>>>co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from<BR>>>someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently<BR>>>assigned to<BR>>>work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than<BR>>>that...right? As<BR>>>you probably saw, the original posting on this subject<BR>>>proportedly came<BR>>>from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a<BR>>>similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write<BR>>>that after<BR>>>talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came<BR>>>away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no<BR>>>basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where<BR>>>the people<BR>>>working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be<BR>>>terminated. I hope that this is not the case.<BR>>><BR>>>Steve<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [<A href="mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com">mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM<BR>>>To: Estrin, Stephen<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>>Hi Stephen:<BR>>><BR>>>Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE<BR>>>Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping<BR>>>development on VEE.<BR>>>We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to<BR>>>try to correct them.<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks,<BR>>><BR>>>Ken<BR>>><BR>>>P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product.<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Estrin, Stephen [<A href="mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com">mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Estrin, Stephen<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM<BR>>>To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)'<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>>I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent<BR>>>and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond<BR>>>the current<BR>>>version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent<BR>>>yesterday for<BR>>>quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and<BR>>>VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the<BR>>>future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work<BR>>>supporting<BR>>>VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the<BR>>>rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things<BR>>>like that<BR>>>right up to the minute they pull the plug.<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)<BR>>>[<A href="mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com">mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>>I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near<BR>>>future by<BR>>>Agilent and HP. 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<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7226.0"><TITLE>Re: [vrf] Future ovv Vee</TITLE></HEAD><BODY><DIV id=idOWAReplyText67918 dir=ltr><DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=3>One thing that I have noticed at our facility is that all of the custom activeX is a problem for the group of labview users. They say that I had it created specifically for VEE, yet is use the controls in VB,VB.Net and Web pages. I guess if that not being able to use activex easily in Labview they place blame some place else. </FONT></DIV><DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV></DIV><DIV dir=ltr>Bob</DIV><DIV dir=ltr> </DIV><DIV dir=ltr><BR> </DIV><DIV dir=ltr><HR tabIndex=-1></DIV><DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B></B>tthew W Grabowski [mailto:matthew.grabowski@colorado.edu]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Mon 21-Mar-05 13:31<BR><B>To:</B> VRF<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR></FONT><BR></DIV><DIV><P><FONT size=2>Hey,<BR><BR>I do have to say that there is a huge amount of plug and play with<BR>labview that has some great capabilities, but in my experience (which is<BR>limited compared with the knowledge base reading this) I've never gotten<BR>the canned code that comes for third party test equipment or labview<BR>products to work in complex programs. I do end up trying to figure out<BR>what these do and then reimplimenting them in VEE, which is much easier.<BR>I think the day that my labview program driving my NI Daq card using all<BR>labview's drivers and VI's drove a digital pin on the card to high and<BR>low 20+ times before my program strated running was the last straw. I<BR>reimplimented everything down to the configuring of the card in VEE, and<BR>have never had the same problem since. Probably was just that I could<BR>not figure out how on earth to setup the daq card in Labview, but then<BR>again I can't read icons that small.<BR><BR>On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, Linux proclaiming<BR>undergrad about not using Labview (contradiction?). Just when I felt<BR>solidarity with Mac users in a PC world, I'm now again lost, and looking<BR>for people like me as strange as we may be.<BR><BR>What to do, what to do...<BR><BR>Matt<BR><BR>P.S. Just for common knowledge sake, NI reads this list too.<BR><BR><BR>Davis, Jeff wrote:<BR><BR>>I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust.<BR>><BR>>It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By the time that you figure out what you need to buy with Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the superior product has lost to the more widely advertised product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game.<BR>><BR>>1. NI has more people supporting their tools.<BR>>2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget).<BR>>3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the technical schools and Universities in the USA.<BR>>4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView current and adding capability.<BR>>5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards.<BR>><BR>>The KICKER:<BR>><BR>>Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on VEE. Here is what you will see;<BR>><BR>>1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339<BR>>2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16<BR>><BR>>It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work <BR>><BR>>Jeff Davis<BR>>CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies<BR>>Embedded Systems and Electronics<BR>>3137 E Elwood #160<BR>>Phoenix, Arizona 85034<BR>>Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)<BR>>Cell: (480)330-1431<BR>>Fax: (602)431-4435<BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Williams, Dan [<A href="mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com">mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has<BR>>>against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the<BR>>>cost of an<BR>>>upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a<BR>>>$200 dollar<BR>>>upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7<BR>>>warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think<BR>>>Agilent is losing<BR>>>out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the<BR>>>engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a<BR>>>manager and<BR>>>co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the<BR>>>price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced<BR>>>50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable<BR>>>Vee would be<BR>>>everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long<BR>>>gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a<BR>>>premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream<BR>>>upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software<BR>>>package.<BR>>><BR>>>OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years<BR>>>and it's getting heavier and heavier.<BR>>><BR>>>Dan<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Estrin, Stephen [<A href="mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com">mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Ken,<BR>>>I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it<BR>>>from another<BR>>>co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from<BR>>>someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently<BR>>>assigned to<BR>>>work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than<BR>>>that...right? As<BR>>>you probably saw, the original posting on this subject<BR>>>proportedly came<BR>>>from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a<BR>>>similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write<BR>>>that after<BR>>>talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came<BR>>>away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no<BR>>>basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where<BR>>>the people<BR>>>working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be<BR>>>terminated. I hope that this is not the case.<BR>>><BR>>>Steve<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [<A href="mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com">mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM<BR>>>To: Estrin, Stephen<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>>Hi Stephen:<BR>>><BR>>>Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE<BR>>>Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping<BR>>>development on VEE.<BR>>>We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to<BR>>>try to correct them.<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks,<BR>>><BR>>>Ken<BR>>><BR>>>P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product.<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Estrin, Stephen [<A href="mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com">mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Estrin, Stephen<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM<BR>>>To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)'<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>>I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent<BR>>>and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond<BR>>>the current<BR>>>version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent<BR>>>yesterday for<BR>>>quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and<BR>>>VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the<BR>>>future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work<BR>>>supporting<BR>>>VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the<BR>>>rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things<BR>>>like that<BR>>>right up to the minute they pull the plug.<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)<BR>>>[<A href="mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com">mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>>I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near<BR>>>future by<BR>>>Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this?<BR>>><BR>>>Mike Purtell<BR>>>Agilent Technologies<BR>>>Santa Rosa<BR>>><BR>>>---<BR>>>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com To<BR>>>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<BR>>>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". <BR>>>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to<BR>>>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>---<BR>>>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com To<BR>>>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<BR>>>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". <BR>>>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to<BR>>>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>---<BR>>>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: Dan.Williams@analog.com To<BR>>>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<BR>>>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". <BR>>>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to<BR>>>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>><BR>>>---<BR>>>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: jeff.davis@cdi-es.com<BR>>>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<BR>>>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". <BR>>>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to<BR>>>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>><BR>>>_____________________________________________________________________<BR>>>This e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of all<BR>>>known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control<BR>>>Center. 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<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7226.0"><TITLE>Re: [vrf] Future ovv Vee</TITLE></HEAD><BODY><DIV id=idOWAReplyText67918 dir=ltr><DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=3>One thing that I have noticed at our facility is that all of the custom activeX is a problem for the group of labview users. They say that I had it created specifically for VEE, yet is use the controls in VB,VB.Net and Web pages. I guess if that not being able to use activex easily in Labview they place blame some place else. </FONT></DIV><DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV></DIV><DIV dir=ltr>Bob</DIV><DIV dir=ltr> </DIV><DIV dir=ltr><BR> </DIV><DIV dir=ltr><HR tabIndex=-1></DIV><DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B></B>tthew W Grabowski [mailto:matthew.grabowski@colorado.edu]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Mon 21-Mar-05 13:31<BR><B>To:</B> VRF<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR></FONT><BR></DIV><DIV><P><FONT size=2>Hey,<BR><BR>I do have to say that there is a huge amount of plug and play with<BR>labview that has some great capabilities, but in my experience (which is<BR>limited compared with the knowledge base reading this) I've never gotten<BR>the canned code that comes for third party test equipment or labview<BR>products to work in complex programs. I do end up trying to figure out<BR>what these do and then reimplimenting them in VEE, which is much easier.<BR>I think the day that my labview program driving my NI Daq card using all<BR>labview's drivers and VI's drove a digital pin on the card to high and<BR>low 20+ times before my program strated running was the last straw. I<BR>reimplimented everything down to the configuring of the card in VEE, and<BR>have never had the same problem since. Probably was just that I could<BR>not figure out how on earth to setup the daq card in Labview, but then<BR>again I can't read icons that small.<BR><BR>On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, Linux proclaiming<BR>undergrad about not using Labview (contradiction?). Just when I felt<BR>solidarity with Mac users in a PC world, I'm now again lost, and looking<BR>for people like me as strange as we may be.<BR><BR>What to do, what to do...<BR><BR>Matt<BR><BR>P.S. Just for common knowledge sake, NI reads this list too.<BR><BR><BR>Davis, Jeff wrote:<BR><BR>>I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust.<BR>><BR>>It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By the time that you figure out what you need to buy with Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the superior product has lost to the more widely advertised product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game.<BR>><BR>>1. NI has more people supporting their tools.<BR>>2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget).<BR>>3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the technical schools and Universities in the USA.<BR>>4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView current and adding capability.<BR>>5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards.<BR>><BR>>The KICKER:<BR>><BR>>Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on VEE. Here is what you will see;<BR>><BR>>1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339<BR>>2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16<BR>><BR>>It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work <BR>><BR>>Jeff Davis<BR>>CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies<BR>>Embedded Systems and Electronics<BR>>3137 E Elwood #160<BR>>Phoenix, Arizona 85034<BR>>Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)<BR>>Cell: (480)330-1431<BR>>Fax: (602)431-4435<BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Williams, Dan [<A href="mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com">mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think that Vee has<BR>>>against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the<BR>>>cost of an<BR>>>upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a<BR>>>$200 dollar<BR>>>upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 and Vee 7<BR>>>warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think<BR>>>Agilent is losing<BR>>>out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so embedded in the<BR>>>engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a<BR>>>manager and<BR>>>co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the<BR>>>price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price was reduced<BR>>>50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable<BR>>>Vee would be<BR>>>everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the days are long<BR>>>gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a<BR>>>premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream<BR>>>upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software<BR>>>package.<BR>>><BR>>>OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here for years<BR>>>and it's getting heavier and heavier.<BR>>><BR>>>Dan<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Estrin, Stephen [<A href="mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com">mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Ken,<BR>>>I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it<BR>>>from another<BR>>>co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from<BR>>>someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently<BR>>>assigned to<BR>>>work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than<BR>>>that...right? As<BR>>>you probably saw, the original posting on this subject<BR>>>proportedly came<BR>>>from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a<BR>>>similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write<BR>>>that after<BR>>>talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other day, I came<BR>>>away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and probably had no<BR>>>basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where<BR>>>the people<BR>>>working on a project were the last to know that the project was to be<BR>>>terminated. I hope that this is not the case.<BR>>><BR>>>Steve<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com [<A href="mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com">mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM<BR>>>To: Estrin, Stephen<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>>Hi Stephen:<BR>>><BR>>>Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE<BR>>>Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping<BR>>>development on VEE.<BR>>>We always like to see if we can track down where these rumors start to<BR>>>try to correct them.<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks,<BR>>><BR>>>Ken<BR>>><BR>>>P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product.<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Estrin, Stephen [<A href="mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com">mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: Estrin, Stephen<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM<BR>>>To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)'<BR>>>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>>I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent<BR>>>and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond<BR>>>the current<BR>>>version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent<BR>>>yesterday for<BR>>>quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation violations, and<BR>>>VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the<BR>>>future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work<BR>>>supporting<BR>>>VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who knows if the<BR>>>rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things<BR>>>like that<BR>>>right up to the minute they pull the plug.<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)<BR>>>[<A href="mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com">mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com</A>]<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM<BR>>>To: VRF<BR>>>Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee<BR>>><BR>>>I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near<BR>>>future by<BR>>>Agilent and HP. Any truth or news on this?<BR>>><BR>>>Mike Purtell<BR>>>Agilent Technologies<BR>>>Santa Rosa<BR>>><BR>>>---<BR>>>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com To<BR>>>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<BR>>>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". <BR>>>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to<BR>>>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>---<BR>>>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com To<BR>>>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<BR>>>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". <BR>>>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to<BR>>>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>---<BR>>>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: Dan.Williams@analog.com To<BR>>>subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<BR>>>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". <BR>>>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to<BR>>>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>><BR>>>---<BR>>>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: jeff.davis@cdi-es.com<BR>>>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<BR>>>"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". <BR>>>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to<BR>>>"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>>><BR>>>_____________________________________________________________________<BR>>>This e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of all<BR>>>known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control<BR>>>Center. 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I am the same. I learned LabView 15 years ago. What are we now LV 7.12. Remember they have bug fixes aswell. As we all do!!!!
I hope it doesn't turn into NOW'58, NOW'59...etc.
I learned Vee (Probably3.0) a year later.
'Cant make an old dog do new tricks' springs to mind.
I promote my techs to lears LV, but still Vee is easier.
I Have given up on Vee DAQ supporters like measurementcomputing, and I use NI here. Vision, motion, DAQ, all NI, but written in Vee ActiveX
I have still got to get an answer on the most flexible 'formulabox input' Vee does this very well. LV does not have this option???
I canot remember the person who decided to solve this for me away from the VRF, by taking this offline, but I still haven't got an answer
BTW LV load time - ~20 minutes 2 CD's
Vee -------------- ~3 minutes 1CD
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I am the same. I learned LabView 15 years ago. What are we now LV 7.12. Remember they have bug fixes aswell. As we all do!!!!
I hope it doesn't turn into NOW'58, NOW'59...etc.
I learned Vee (Probably3.0) a year later.
'Cant make an old dog do new tricks' springs to mind.
I promote my techs to lears LV, but still Vee is easier.
I Have given up on Vee DAQ supporters like measurementcomputing, and I use NI here. Vision, motion, DAQ, all NI, but written in Vee ActiveX
I have still got to get an answer on the most flexible 'formulabox input' Vee does this very well. LV does not have this option???
I canot remember the person who decided to solve this for me away from the VRF, by taking this offline, but I still haven't got an answer
BTW LV load time - ~20 minutes 2 CD's
Vee -------------- ~3 minutes 1CD
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I am the same. I learned LabView 15 years ago. What are we now LV 7.12. Remember they have bug fixes aswell. As we all do!!!!
I hope it doesn't turn into NOW'58, NOW'59...etc.
I learned Vee (Probably3.0) a year later.
'Cant make an old dog do new tricks' springs to mind.
I promote my techs to lears LV, but still Vee is easier.
I Have given up on Vee DAQ supporters like measurementcomputing, and I use NI here. Vision, motion, DAQ, all NI, but written in Vee ActiveX
I have still got to get an answer on the most flexible 'formulabox input' Vee does this very well. LV does not have this option???
I canot remember the person who decided to solve this for me away from the VRF, by taking this offline, but I still haven't got an answer
BTW LV load time - ~20 minutes 2 CD's
Vee -------------- ~3 minutes 1CD
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>>>This is all pretty interesting... so LV has troubles supporting ActiveX hey?
To clarify, I didn't say LV has issues with ActiveX, someone else did. I just prefer using the NI measurement studio activeX designed for VB, and writing in VEE, instead of the 'small icon' LV world. And again, the flexibility of the formula pin, which LV doesn't really have, to my knowledge. It has a eval_formul_string, but you can't pass variables in this.
Regards,
-----Original Message----- From: Shawn Fessenden [mailto:shawn@testech-ltd.com] Sent: 22 March 2005 14:09 To: 'Willie Kiely'; 'VRF' Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
> Vision, motion, DAQ, all NI, but written in Vee ActiveX
This is all pretty interesting... so LV has troubles supporting ActiveX hey?
Bob - I'm not aware of anything you could possibly do that would allow an ActiveX control or lib to work in VEE and not LabView. Short of checking in DllMain to see what the host exe is and refusing to work if it's LabView. Anyway, I imagine these custom controls are created with something that does quick & easy (like VB) so that's probably out of the question.
> BTW LV load time - ~20 minutes 2 CD's > Vee -------------- ~3 minutes 1CD
This is probably typical for any compiler vs. interpreter scenario (except for very old compilers). Compiling is a pretty involved thing. Linking is no big deal by comparison. -SHAWN-
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>>>This is all pretty interesting... so LV has troubles supporting ActiveX hey?
To clarify, I didn't say LV has issues with ActiveX, someone else did. I just prefer using the NI measurement studio activeX designed for VB, and writing in VEE, instead of the 'small icon' LV world. And again, the flexibility of the formula pin, which LV doesn't really have, to my knowledge. It has a eval_formul_string, but you can't pass variables in this.
Regards,
-----Original Message----- From: Shawn Fessenden [mailto:shawn@testech-ltd.com] Sent: 22 March 2005 14:09 To: 'Willie Kiely'; 'VRF' Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
> Vision, motion, DAQ, all NI, but written in Vee ActiveX
This is all pretty interesting... so LV has troubles supporting ActiveX hey?
Bob - I'm not aware of anything you could possibly do that would allow an ActiveX control or lib to work in VEE and not LabView. Short of checking in DllMain to see what the host exe is and refusing to work if it's LabView. Anyway, I imagine these custom controls are created with something that does quick & easy (like VB) so that's probably out of the question.
> BTW LV load time - ~20 minutes 2 CD's > Vee -------------- ~3 minutes 1CD
This is probably typical for any compiler vs. interpreter scenario (except for very old compilers). Compiling is a pretty involved thing. Linking is no big deal by comparison. -SHAWN-
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>>>This is all pretty interesting... so LV has troubles supporting ActiveX hey?
To clarify, I didn't say LV has issues with ActiveX, someone else did. I just prefer using the NI measurement studio activeX designed for VB, and writing in VEE, instead of the 'small icon' LV world. And again, the flexibility of the formula pin, which LV doesn't really have, to my knowledge. It has a eval_formul_string, but you can't pass variables in this.
Regards,
-----Original Message----- From: Shawn Fessenden [mailto:shawn@testech-ltd.com] Sent: 22 March 2005 14:09 To: 'Willie Kiely'; 'VRF' Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee
> Vision, motion, DAQ, all NI, but written in Vee ActiveX
This is all pretty interesting... so LV has troubles supporting ActiveX hey?
Bob - I'm not aware of anything you could possibly do that would allow an ActiveX control or lib to work in VEE and not LabView. Short of checking in DllMain to see what the host exe is and refusing to work if it's LabView. Anyway, I imagine these custom controls are created with something that does quick & easy (like VB) so that's probably out of the question.
> BTW LV load time - ~20 minutes 2 CD's > Vee -------------- ~3 minutes 1CD
This is probably typical for any compiler vs. interpreter scenario (except for very old compilers). Compiling is a pretty involved thing. Linking is no big deal by comparison. -SHAWN-
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> Vision, motion, DAQ, all NI, but written in Vee ActiveX
This is all pretty interesting... so LV has troubles supporting ActiveX hey?
Bob - I'm not aware of anything you could possibly do that would allow an ActiveX control or lib to work in VEE and not LabView. Short of checking in DllMain to see what the host exe is and refusing to work if it's LabView. Anyway, I imagine these custom controls are created with something that does quick & easy (like VB) so that's probably out of the question.
> BTW LV load time - ~20 minutes 2 CD's > Vee -------------- ~3 minutes 1CD
This is probably typical for any compiler vs. interpreter scenario (except for very old compilers). Compiling is a pretty involved thing. Linking is no big deal by comparison. -SHAWN-
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> Vision, motion, DAQ, all NI, but written in Vee ActiveX
This is all pretty interesting... so LV has troubles supporting ActiveX hey?
Bob - I'm not aware of anything you could possibly do that would allow an ActiveX control or lib to work in VEE and not LabView. Short of checking in DllMain to see what the host exe is and refusing to work if it's LabView. Anyway, I imagine these custom controls are created with something that does quick & easy (like VB) so that's probably out of the question.
> BTW LV load time - ~20 minutes 2 CD's > Vee -------------- ~3 minutes 1CD
This is probably typical for any compiler vs. interpreter scenario (except for very old compilers). Compiling is a pretty involved thing. Linking is no big deal by comparison. -SHAWN-
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> Vision, motion, DAQ, all NI, but written in Vee ActiveX
This is all pretty interesting... so LV has troubles supporting ActiveX hey?
Bob - I'm not aware of anything you could possibly do that would allow an ActiveX control or lib to work in VEE and not LabView. Short of checking in DllMain to see what the host exe is and refusing to work if it's LabView. Anyway, I imagine these custom controls are created with something that does quick & easy (like VB) so that's probably out of the question.
> BTW LV load time - ~20 minutes 2 CD's > Vee -------------- ~3 minutes 1CD
This is probably typical for any compiler vs. interpreter scenario (except for very old compilers). Compiling is a pretty involved thing. Linking is no big deal by comparison. -SHAWN-
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We got a nice NI image grabber card and NI-IMAQ parts for it. At the end of the day we were using the IMAQ thru ActiveX calls from Vee instead of Lab view. If was SO much easier.
But the the thing that Agilent REALLY should copy from NI is the student / university policy!!! The first love is always the best
imho, TR
> -----Original Message----- > From: ext Matthew W Grabowski [mailto:matthew.grabowski@colorado.edu] > Sent: 21 March, 2005 20:32 > To: VRF > Subject: Re: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > Hey, > > I do have to say that there is a huge amount of plug and play with > labview that has some great capabilities, but in my > experience (which is > limited compared with the knowledge base reading this) I've > never gotten > the canned code that comes for third party test equipment or labview > products to work in complex programs. I do end up trying to > figure out > what these do and then reimplimenting them in VEE, which is > much easier. > I think the day that my labview program driving my NI Daq > card using all > labview's drivers and VI's drove a digital pin on the card to > high and > low 20+ times before my program strated running was the last straw. I > reimplimented everything down to the configuring of the card > in VEE, and > have never had the same problem since. Probably was just that I could > not figure out how on earth to setup the daq card in Labview, > but then > again I can't read icons that small. > > On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, Linux proclaiming > undergrad about not using Labview (contradiction?). Just when I felt > solidarity with Mac users in a PC world, I'm now again lost, > and looking > for people like me as strange as we may be. > > What to do, what to do... > > Matt > > P.S. Just for common knowledge sake, NI reads this list too. > > > Davis, Jeff wrote: > > >I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way > out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView > has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools > and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust. > > > >It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product > (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you > buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to > build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. > VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version > with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By > the time that you figure out what you need to buy with > Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive > to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the > superior product has lost to the more widely advertised > product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus > Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game. > > > >1. NI has more people supporting their tools. > >2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget). > >3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the > technical schools and Universities in the USA. > >4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView > current and adding capability. > >5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards. > > > >The KICKER: > > > >Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on > VEE. Here is what you will see; > > > >1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339 > >2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16 > > > >It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for > LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that > causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am > finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work > > > >Jeff Davis > >CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies > >Embedded Systems and Electronics > >3137 E Elwood #160 > >Phoenix, Arizona 85034 > >Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226) > >Cell: (480)330-1431 > >Fax: (602)431-4435 > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Williams, Dan [mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com] > >>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >> > >>This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think > that Vee has > >>against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the > >>cost of an > >>upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a > >>$200 dollar > >>upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 > and Vee 7 > >>warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think > >>Agilent is losing > >>out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so > embedded in the > >>engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a > >>manager and > >>co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the > >>price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price > was reduced > >>50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable > >>Vee would be > >>everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the > days are long > >>gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a > >>premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream > >>upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software > >>package. > >> > >>OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here > for years > >>and it's getting heavier and heavier. > >> > >>Dan > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >> > >>Ken, > >>I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it > >>from another > >>co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from > >>someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently > >>assigned to > >>work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than > >>that...right? As > >>you probably saw, the original posting on this subject > >>proportedly came > >>from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a > >>similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write > >>that after > >>talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other > day, I came > >>away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and > probably had no > >>basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where > >>the people > >>working on a project were the last to know that the project > was to be > >>terminated. I hope that this is not the case. > >> > >>Steve > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com > [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM > >>To: Estrin, Stephen > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >>Hi Stephen: > >> > >>Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE > >>Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping > >>development on VEE. > >>We always like to see if we can track down where these > rumors start to > >>try to correct them. > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Ken > >> > >>P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Estrin, Stephen > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM > >>To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >>I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent > >>and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond > >>the current > >>version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent > >>yesterday for > >>quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation > violations, and > >>VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the > >>future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work > >>supporting > >>VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who > knows if the > >>rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things > >>like that > >>right up to the minute they pull the plug. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) > >>[mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >>I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near > >>future by > >>Agilent and HP. 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We got a nice NI image grabber card and NI-IMAQ parts for it. At the end of the day we were using the IMAQ thru ActiveX calls from Vee instead of Lab view. If was SO much easier.
But the the thing that Agilent REALLY should copy from NI is the student / university policy!!! The first love is always the best
imho, TR
> -----Original Message----- > From: ext Matthew W Grabowski [mailto:matthew.grabowski@colorado.edu] > Sent: 21 March, 2005 20:32 > To: VRF > Subject: Re: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > Hey, > > I do have to say that there is a huge amount of plug and play with > labview that has some great capabilities, but in my > experience (which is > limited compared with the knowledge base reading this) I've > never gotten > the canned code that comes for third party test equipment or labview > products to work in complex programs. I do end up trying to > figure out > what these do and then reimplimenting them in VEE, which is > much easier. > I think the day that my labview program driving my NI Daq > card using all > labview's drivers and VI's drove a digital pin on the card to > high and > low 20+ times before my program strated running was the last straw. I > reimplimented everything down to the configuring of the card > in VEE, and > have never had the same problem since. Probably was just that I could > not figure out how on earth to setup the daq card in Labview, > but then > again I can't read icons that small. > > On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, Linux proclaiming > undergrad about not using Labview (contradiction?). Just when I felt > solidarity with Mac users in a PC world, I'm now again lost, > and looking > for people like me as strange as we may be. > > What to do, what to do... > > Matt > > P.S. Just for common knowledge sake, NI reads this list too. > > > Davis, Jeff wrote: > > >I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way > out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView > has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools > and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust. > > > >It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product > (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you > buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to > build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. > VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version > with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By > the time that you figure out what you need to buy with > Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive > to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the > superior product has lost to the more widely advertised > product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus > Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game. > > > >1. NI has more people supporting their tools. > >2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget). > >3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the > technical schools and Universities in the USA. > >4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView > current and adding capability. > >5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards. > > > >The KICKER: > > > >Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on > VEE. Here is what you will see; > > > >1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339 > >2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16 > > > >It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for > LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that > causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am > finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work > > > >Jeff Davis > >CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies > >Embedded Systems and Electronics > >3137 E Elwood #160 > >Phoenix, Arizona 85034 > >Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226) > >Cell: (480)330-1431 > >Fax: (602)431-4435 > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Williams, Dan [mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com] > >>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >> > >>This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think > that Vee has > >>against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the > >>cost of an > >>upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a > >>$200 dollar > >>upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 > and Vee 7 > >>warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think > >>Agilent is losing > >>out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so > embedded in the > >>engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a > >>manager and > >>co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the > >>price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price > was reduced > >>50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable > >>Vee would be > >>everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the > days are long > >>gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a > >>premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream > >>upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software > >>package. > >> > >>OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here > for years > >>and it's getting heavier and heavier. > >> > >>Dan > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >> > >>Ken, > >>I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it > >>from another > >>co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from > >>someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently > >>assigned to > >>work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than > >>that...right? As > >>you probably saw, the original posting on this subject > >>proportedly came > >>from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a > >>similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write > >>that after > >>talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other > day, I came > >>away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and > probably had no > >>basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where > >>the people > >>working on a project were the last to know that the project > was to be > >>terminated. I hope that this is not the case. > >> > >>Steve > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com > [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM > >>To: Estrin, Stephen > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >>Hi Stephen: > >> > >>Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE > >>Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping > >>development on VEE. > >>We always like to see if we can track down where these > rumors start to > >>try to correct them. > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Ken > >> > >>P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Estrin, Stephen > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM > >>To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >>I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent > >>and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond > >>the current > >>version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent > >>yesterday for > >>quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation > violations, and > >>VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the > >>future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work > >>supporting > >>VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who > knows if the > >>rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things > >>like that > >>right up to the minute they pull the plug. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) > >>[mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >>I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near > >>future by > >>Agilent and HP. 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We got a nice NI image grabber card and NI-IMAQ parts for it. At the end of the day we were using the IMAQ thru ActiveX calls from Vee instead of Lab view. If was SO much easier.
But the the thing that Agilent REALLY should copy from NI is the student / university policy!!! The first love is always the best
imho, TR
> -----Original Message----- > From: ext Matthew W Grabowski [mailto:matthew.grabowski@colorado.edu] > Sent: 21 March, 2005 20:32 > To: VRF > Subject: Re: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > > > Hey, > > I do have to say that there is a huge amount of plug and play with > labview that has some great capabilities, but in my > experience (which is > limited compared with the knowledge base reading this) I've > never gotten > the canned code that comes for third party test equipment or labview > products to work in complex programs. I do end up trying to > figure out > what these do and then reimplimenting them in VEE, which is > much easier. > I think the day that my labview program driving my NI Daq > card using all > labview's drivers and VI's drove a digital pin on the card to > high and > low 20+ times before my program strated running was the last straw. I > reimplimented everything down to the configuring of the card > in VEE, and > have never had the same problem since. Probably was just that I could > not figure out how on earth to setup the daq card in Labview, > but then > again I can't read icons that small. > > On the other hand I get **** from my Mac toating, Linux proclaiming > undergrad about not using Labview (contradiction?). Just when I felt > solidarity with Mac users in a PC world, I'm now again lost, > and looking > for people like me as strange as we may be. > > What to do, what to do... > > Matt > > P.S. Just for common knowledge sake, NI reads this list too. > > > Davis, Jeff wrote: > > >I don't think that VEE pricing is out of line - What is way > out of line is the capability of LabView versus VEE. LabView > has so much more going for it in the way of developer tools > and native functionality. It leaves VEE standing in the dust. > > > >It really is too bad, because VEE is an awesome product > (superior to NI in my humble opinion). By the time that you > buy the LabView options that you need (with the ability to > build executables) VEE is a lot cheaper dollar for dollar. > VEE is "one shot one kill"; you get the VEE developer version > with the built-in ability to build runtime executables. By > the time that you figure out what you need to buy with > Labview to do the same thing it definitely is more expensive > to go the NI route. This is not the first time that the > superior product has lost to the more widely advertised > product. Look at Beta versus VHS and Windows versus > Macintosh. He who advertises the most WINS the game. > > > >1. NI has more people supporting their tools. > >2. NI has a MUCH larger advertising department (and budget). > >3. NI and their tools are prevalent in almost all of the > technical schools and Universities in the USA. > >4. NI spends a sizable amount of time keeping LabView > current and adding capability. > >5. LabView is tightly integrated to NI hardware and plugin DAQ cards. > > > >The KICKER: > > > >Go to MONSTER.COM and do a search on LabView, and then on > VEE. Here is what you will see; > > > >1. For LabView: Jobs 1 to 50 of 339 > >2. For VEE: Jobs 1 to 16 of 16 > > > >It looks like there are just a few more Jobs out there for > LabView programmers doncha think? This is the part that > causes one lone tear to streak down my face. OK, I am > finished whining now, ALT+TAB to your real work > > > >Jeff Davis > >CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies > >Embedded Systems and Electronics > >3137 E Elwood #160 > >Phoenix, Arizona 85034 > >Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226) > >Cell: (480)330-1431 > >Fax: (602)431-4435 > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Williams, Dan [mailto:Dan.Williams@analog.com] > >>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 07:00 AM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >> > >>This rumor been around since Vee 3.12. One thing I think > that Vee has > >>against it is the pricing. Once you've paid for a version the > >>cost of an > >>upgrade is prohibitive. I could probably talk my way into a > >>$200 dollar > >>upgrade but I'm not convinced the difference between Vee 6 > and Vee 7 > >>warrants a 50% premium and neither is my boss. I think > >>Agilent is losing > >>out big time by over-pricing Vee. C programming is so > embedded in the > >>engineering community that it is an uphill battle to sell a > >>manager and > >>co-workers on the benefits of Vee over Labview/LabWindows. When the > >>price is close Vee loses more often then not. If the price > was reduced > >>50% and the upgrade fee was lowered to something reasonable > >>Vee would be > >>everywhere. Unfortunately Agilent refuses to realize the > days are long > >>gone when the hp badge was on a product meant they could charge a > >>premium and it was worth it. Instead of generating a revenue stream > >>upgrades are now just a justification to use a different software > >>package. > >> > >>OK sorry to rant but I've been carrying the Vee banner here > for years > >>and it's getting heavier and heavier. > >> > >>Dan > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 PM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >> > >>Ken, > >>I originally heard this rumor from a co-worker who heard it > >>from another > >>co-worker who is a former Agilent employee, who in turn, heard from > >>someone still at Agilent that there wasn't anyone currently > >>assigned to > >>work on VEE anymore. Can't get any more direct than > >>that...right? As > >>you probably saw, the original posting on this subject > >>proportedly came > >>from an Agilent employee, I merely chimed in that I had also heard a > >>similar rumor at one time, (which I had). I went on to write > >>that after > >>talking to Mario (last name unknown) at Agilent the other > day, I came > >>away with the sense that the rumor was just that, and > probably had no > >>basis in fact. But then again, sadly, I have seen cases where > >>the people > >>working on a project were the last to know that the project > was to be > >>terminated. I hope that this is not the case. > >> > >>Steve > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: ken_colasuonno@agilent.com > [mailto:ken_colasuonno@agilent.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01 PM > >>To: Estrin, Stephen > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >>Hi Stephen: > >> > >>Would you care to tell me where you heard that rumor? I am the VEE > >>Project Manager and we have no intention of stopping > >>development on VEE. > >>We always like to see if we can track down where these > rumors start to > >>try to correct them. > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Ken > >> > >>P.S. VEE is an Agilent, not HP product. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Estrin, Stephen [mailto:ESTRINS@tycoelectronics.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:24 PM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: FW: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Estrin, Stephen > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:17 PM > >>To: 'PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1)' > >>Subject: RE: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >>I and some of my co-workers have heard a similar rumor that Agilent > >>and/or HP would not be doing any further development beyond > >>the current > >>version. But I just talked to a guy named Mario at Agilent > >>yesterday for > >>quite a while about VEE and the infamous segmentation > violations, and > >>VEE in general. And although I didn't ask him specifically about the > >>future of VEE, he seemed to imply that there is ongoing work > >>supporting > >>VEE, especially version 7.0 and a new update 7.03. So who > knows if the > >>rumors are true, a lot of the time a company will deny things > >>like that > >>right up to the minute they pull the plug. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: PURTELL,MICHAEL (A-Sonoma,ex1) > >>[mailto:michael_purtell@agilent.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:55 AM > >>To: VRF > >>Subject: [vrf] Future ovv Vee > >> > >>I just heard a rumor that Vee was being abandoned in the near > >>future by > >>Agilent and HP. 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assigned to work on VEE anymore.
And just where do you think all those videos with the VEE Lady come from?
That by itself shows current activity.
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