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vrf Agilent Vee Pro 7 (and .Net questions)

Question asked by kirk_reed on Oct 30, 2003
Latest reply on Oct 30, 2003 by kirk_reed
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10]><style> /* Style Definitions */  table.MsoNormalTable     {mso-style-name:"Table Normal";     mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0;     mso-tstyle-colband-size:0;     mso-style-noshow:yes;     mso-style-parent:"";     mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;     mso-para-margin:0in;     mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt;     mso-pagination:widow-orphan;     font-size:10.0pt;     font-family:"Times New Roman";}</style><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:.5in'><div class=Section1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I work for Agilent, but we are not partof Test and Measurement side of Agilent.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>We use <span class=SpellE>Vee</span>, and I saw the VEE 7 demo at theVEE days.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>Here are some of the thingsI saw pertaining to your questions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><font size=2 color=blackface=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>- Licensingwent back to the old scheme. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>VEEPro 6.1 was the only node locked version I know of.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><font size=2 color=blackface=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>- Userinterface changes: <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Visual Basicstyle for panel views only (forgive me am not a Visual Basic programmer).<spanstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>It seems to be moving in that directionof a look and feel of Visual basic, but it does not give anything near whatVisual Studio can give you. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Thatwas the only change I saw there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><font size=2 color=blackface=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>- Runtime distributions I think are unchanged.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><font size=2 color=blackface=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>- .<spanclass=SpellE>xml</span> support (more standard than data set files)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><font size=2 color=blackface=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>- .Netsupport: direct calls into the Windows system seemed much easier than before. <spanstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Although I am no expert, some exampleswere given on the old and new ways of doing things seemed much easier. <spanstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The one that comes to mind is creating adirectory seemed real easy, and I think it even returned info about whether itexisted or not. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>It even had someneat links to the commands and documentation (through Microsoft's websitethough, so you need internet access while developing to see that). <spanstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I know you could probably use someuser32.dll calls now, but I don't think you have to bother with headerfiles (from what I remember).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Agilent has developed the T&M toolkitfor Microsoft Visual Studio.Net. <spanstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>This seems to be for customers likeyourself (and me also) who want to move to Microsoft's .Net platform. <spanstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I am not a Visual Studio.Net programmer(yet?), but one person here has started using the T&M toolkit for oneapplication. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>We have learned somethings so far.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>The learning curveis much higher than VEE Pro, but if we can get over that, we still manyadvantages. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span class=SpellE>Vee</span>Pro is wonderful for quick and <span class=SpellE>dirtythings</span>, and weare well entrenched in supporting many large complex (yet refined) <spanclass=SpellE>Vee</span> programs for many years.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>T&M toolkit website:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><ahref="http://we.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/bvpub/agilent/Product/cp_Product.jsp?LANGUAGE_CODE=eng&ID=211712&COUNTRY_CODE=ZZ&CT=0">http://we.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/bvpub/agilent/Product/cp_Product.jsp?LANGUAGE_CODE=eng&ID=211712&COUNTRY_CODE=ZZ&CT=0</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Sorry for the long link, I just searchedwithin</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <a href="http://www.agilent.com/">www.agilent.com</a></span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>for "<span class=SpellE>t&m</span>toolkit".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>My coworker is just installing his firstapplication with the T&M Toolkit, and he had no trouble distributing theT&M portion to the application machine, but had more difficulty getting allthe correct files for the .Net stuff. <spanstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>We also learned that T&M toolkit iswritten for talking to SCPI (<span class=SpellE>skippy</span>?) instruments andterminates everything with a line feed.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>He needed to send commands without the line feed, and it took awhile to finda workaround. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I think we will eventually become moreversed in .Net, and that will open many more options. <spanstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Besides, I need to learn somethingnew.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>I have needed better userinterfaces and event driven stuff which I know Visual Basic (C#, whatever) has.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hope this helps,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Kirk Reed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Agilent Technologies<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>302-633-8559<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>kirk_reed@agilent.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><spanstyle='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Nick Evans[mailto:Nick@genesysibs.com<span class=GramE>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent</span></b></span><b><spanstyle='font-weight:bold'>:</span></b> </span></font><st1:date Month="10"Day="30" Year="2003"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, October 30, 2003</span></font></st1:date><fontsize=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:timeHour="7" Minute="48"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma'>7:48 AM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 face=Tahoma><spanstyle='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> VEE vrf
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [vrf] Agilent Vee Pro 7</span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><spanstyle='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>DearAll</span></font><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><spanlang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Doesanybody know if there is any released information on new features andavailability for Vee Pro 7.0 yet?</span></font><span lang=EN-GBstyle='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><spanlang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Thereason for asking is that we are just about to commit to a software developmentlanguage for new projects through 2004.   We are under pressure tomove away from Vee Pro completely for these projects and use something more"traditional" like Microsoft .net.   The main reason forthis is that our test and measurement applications are supplied to end usercustomers to run on their own computers and the perception is that they needsomething that looks and feels more like a traditional windows application thanis achievable with Vee Pro.</span></font><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><spanlang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Iam interested to know if there are any radical changes in Vee Pro 7.0, inparticular with the user interface options and runtime distribution optionsthat we should know about.</span></font><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><spanlang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Anyinfo would be appreciated.</span></font><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><spanlang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Thanksand best regards</span></font><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><spanlang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Nick</span></font><spanlang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoAutoSig style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><spanstyle='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoAutoSig style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><spanstyle='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><spanlang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>---
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