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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><TITLE>RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1</TITLE><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=GENERATOR></HEAD><BODY><DIV>Boy, you let a guy know you're a Canuck, and he never lets you forget it! </DIV><DIV>:-) "Prices slightly higher in Canada"</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>As Nicole mentioned, we gave List Prices. We had meant to mention the currently available discounted introductory prices, but Friday's email was complicated enough that we forgot to put it in. Sorry.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Regards,</DIV><DIV> </DIV>Scott Bayes Software Technical Support Agilent Technologies, Inc. 815 14th Street S.W. Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537 970 679 3799 Tel 970 635 6867 Fax <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: Mike Groves [mailto:Mike_Groves@cree.com] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:41 PM To: 'BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)'; VEE Reflector (E-mail) Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1 </DIV> Scott, Not sure where your pricing numbers came from, but your web site says: VEE Pro for Windows ARTU (E2120AL) . . . . . . . . $680.00 (Which, for clarification, includes 1 year of ADN Professional.) and... One-time upgrade from VEE Pro 6.0. (E2120AD) . . . . $300.00 (Which includes a 1 time, 6 month free subscription to ADN Professional.) I think your prices were somewhat higher. (Canadian dollars maybe) Mike Groves Cree Microwave -----Original Message----- From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [<A href="mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com">mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com</A>] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:58 PM To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com' Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1 Hello vrf-ers. We have not been ignoring the recent traffic on the vrf about VEE 6.01 to 6.1 upgrades, and VEE 6.03. We wanted to understand what you are faced with and how we can make a reasonable response to the group before responding. We've talked to some of you whom we felt were representative of the vrf with respect to the upgrade issues, because we can't possibly talk to all of you individually. We will discuss the Licensing issues later, but for now, we need to get the upgrade topic addressed. I'm going to cover a number of areas in order to explain what you need to know in order to evaluate the final part, which is "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?". I apologize for the length of this posting, but lack of information and misinformation are large components of the current situation. We believe your primary concerns to be the following: - VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1 - defect fixes should be free anyway - Agilent has done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding something? - Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on? For now, please allow me to restrict the response to the above, and not respond to the licensing/LAN card discussion that's filling my email-box. I promise to respond to that topic in the near future, but the stated focus for this email is already complex enough. I'm sure there are other concerns that I won't address in this response. Please hold off on them for a while too, till we can get this one resolved. Let me respond to the concerns in the order that I believe makes it easiest to understand. - we have done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding something? Not trying to hide anything at all. As insiders who live and breathe it, and talk VEE 6.1 every day, we just didn't realize it wouldn't be immediately obvious to web visitors that 6.1 is new and replaces 6.01. By the way, 6.1 is indeed the "VEE-NR" that I mentioned on the vrf back in Dec and again in Jan/Feb. I posted a part number and pricing clarification for VEE 6.1 a few days ago on the vrf, in case you're not familiar with the pricing details and options for the new product. - Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on? 6.03 was purpose-built as a limited-release, temporary revision. The purposes were: - T&M Toolkit for .NET needed some Automation Server functionality not found in 6.01. We initiated 6.03 primarily to provide that functionality to T&M Toolkit beta testers. - because we were already modifying the VEE source and would have to do QA anyway, we decided to fix some of the highest weight defects, particularly those which we knew specific customers were experiencing show-stopper problems. In addition, R&D chose to fix some other defects. We intended a limited distribution of 6.03 to only the specific customers experiencing the show-stopper problems; later some other customers also experiencing show-stopper problems received the 6.03 patch. We warned these recipients of 6.03 that it was an unsupported revision that would need to be replaced when 6.1 became available, as we could not afford to support 6.03 long-term. By the way, 6.03 was actually released only as a patch that would update copies of 6.01. As far as I know, it was never provided as a complete VEE executable. So when I say "6.03" I mean the patch or VEE 6.01 updated by the patch to 6.03 as appropriate. To distribute 6.03 for bugfix purposes, we decided to place it on the ftp server that the vrf discovered. We gave the appropriate URL to the customers we had been in contact with, and hoped no one else would find it. In this day of extensive web search engines like Google, this "security by obscurity" was a mistake. A final major piece of information: 6.03 is significantly less capable than 6.1. It includes only the Toolkit functionality and some defect fixes. It does not include Windows XP support, MATLAB 6.1 integration and support, and a lot of the defect fixes found in 6.1. As a matter of fact, the VEE R&D team acquired the services of one of our best ActiveX R&D experts not long after 6.03 was wrapped up, and she fixed a lot of the known ActiveX defects, plus generally cleaning up the ActiveX handling in VEE. I think 6.1 has a lot of value over 6.03. We are going to remove the 6.03 patches from the ftp site because we have decided to make them a supported part of T&M Toolkit for .NET product. The patches and a Readme will appear on the T&M Toolkit CD and in the download from ADN. They are intended for use by T&M Toolkit programmers who want to use their VEE code from .NET. For users for whom VEE is vital, like those on the vrf, we recommend upgrading to VEE 6.1 because it is more complete than 6.03. - VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1 In retrospect, we agree that there is not as much value as users would expect in the new revision. We agree we need to provide more value for this price. Please read on. - defect fixes should be free anyway I'd like to put aside this rather highly charged topic until we get to the changes we are making to increase the value of the update. ---- I'll ask you to bear with me in this section, because I am going to describe a brand-new product--the Agilent Developer Network (ADN)--as I believe it is not well understood by most VEE customers. Yet when we have explained it to these customers, they have agreed it could be quite valuable to them. It's worth reading about ADN because it is what we are going to add to E2120AD. ADN provides real value to VEE and instrument users (note that some of the content is available for free, no purchase needed, and some requires buying ADN Professional, at $495/year): - access to documents written by experts. This is the distilled expertise of the Agilent support and R&D communities, especially those who use VEE and I/O. Code snippets, tech notes, extended tech discussions, white papers, app notes. Think of this as self-help material. Note that it is a bit sparse right now, but we are continually adding content. I have contributed or edited a lot of material that is now on the ADN website or is "in the pipeline" and should appear soon. - tech support. ADN Pro allows you to submit a technical (or non-tech, if you wish) support question and get an answer from us. You can do it by email, if you're tired of being passed around on the phone! It is the mechanism by which we provide the full support included in E2120AL, the VEE 6.1 Annual Right To Use, for example. If the questions are deep enough, they come back to Nicole and me, and we can take them to the VEE or Toolkit R&D teams when necessary. - access to the latest product updates, instrument drivers, IO Libraries, instrument and software manuals, etc. All nicely organized and easy to get at. At last you can stop searching the Agilent general site trying to find a programming manual for an E34401, or whatever. There's also a program that examines your system and advises you what is out-of-date, e.g. I/O Libraries K.01.00, and gives you an option to download any updates. - community. Discussion forums, a place to post apps or snippets you want to share, and a place to post your story about how you designed an application or test system, etc. Submit a bug report to us from the free ADN Basic area. We plan to put the vrf into ADN Basic, as well. Don't panic, we won't charge for it; it will stay free for all users. Nicole will send a vrf message asking about your need for email access to vrf, since ADN is web-centric; this is your chance to make your needs known to us, so please respond to her. ADN Basic, the free version, requires you to register and provide some basic info about yourself on the Web (we follow the Agilent Privacy Policy), and provides some pretty good self-help stuff, though not software updates or Agilent tech support. You can try it, if you like, at | www.agilent.com/find/adn >. ADN Professional, W1150A, $495/year, provides more content in most of the above areas, plus access to minor product updates for VEE and T&M Toolkit for .NET, Tech Support, and regularly shipped CDs with much of the content of the ADN Pro website on them (popular drivers, IO Libraries, white papers, demos and evaluation versions, etc). A clarification: Though the ADN Professional website is where the downloads of major revisions of products ("upgrades") can be found, ADN Pro does not provide the new license required to execute new major revisions; that license is only available through purchase of an ARTU or a Perpetual license. ADN Pro is just the delivery mechanism for electronic-only products. Visit the link above to learn more about ADN Pro. --- - "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?" For the price of the E2120AD (the upgrade from VEE 6.0/6.01 to VEE 6.1) you will get both the 6.1 upgrade and 6 months of ADN Professional. This of course includes access to any minor updates of VEE we publish during that period--I can't guarantee an update during that time, but there may be one--tech support, and access to all the other ADN Pro stuff. If you like ADN Pro and want to continue after the 6 months are done, you'll need to buy a year's subscription (W1150A $495), or buy a VEE ARTU (E2120AL $895) and get it that way. In either case, E2120AD will provide you with a perpetual license to run 6.1, whether you continue with ADN Pro or not. This new product definition for E2120AD will apply to all buyers, not just vrf members. 6 months ADN Pro will automatically be credited if you have already purchased E2120AD, and you'll get information on how to register for ADN Pro. Our price list doesn't yet include the ADN membership with E2120AD, and the Contact Center people can't yet answer questions about it. We wanted to announce it first to the vrf. We'll post in the vrf when we're ready to implement the program. Should take a few weeks. Your ADN Pro subscription will only start when you set it up on the web, and will run for 6 months after that. You will be required to register for ADN Professional before Nov 1, 2002 to take advantage of the six months ADN Pro membership. This opportunity to get 6 months ADN Pro with E2120AD will terminate after Oct 31, 2002. The ADN Pro memberships themselves will expire 6 months after you sign up on the Web. Sincerely, Scott Bayes Nicole Dierksheide Software Technical Support Agilent Technologies, Inc. 815 14th Street S.W. Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537 970 679 3799 Tel 970 635 6867 Fax --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the "vrf" maillist, managed by Majordomo. 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michaelj_sullivan May 30, 2002 1:23 AM
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Hello All,

I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
VEE 6.1
(Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)

A few points we covered:

10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals. Manuals provided
online)

10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)

Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00

I didn't inquire about single license pricing.

The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.

Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
Anything else will require
some kind of software support.

Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are the days of
one serial number
for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
online. Then you have
access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
Steve assured me
that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to be online.
Some of us have
computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.

This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that there were
major changes
with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
flux. So keep this in
mind as you consider the information I have presented.

Regards, Mike
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michaelj_sullivan May 30, 2002 1:23 AM
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Hello All,

I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
VEE 6.1
(Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)

A few points we covered:

10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals. Manuals provided
online)

10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)

Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00

I didn't inquire about single license pricing.

The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.

Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
Anything else will require
some kind of software support.

Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are the days of
one serial number
for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
online. Then you have
access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
Steve assured me
that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to be online.
Some of us have
computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.

This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that there were
major changes
with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
flux. So keep this in
mind as you consider the information I have presented.

Regards, Mike
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VRFuser May 31, 2002 12:21 AM
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Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:

> 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> Manuals provided
> online)

When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.

E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).

> 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)

E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The manuals
are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.

> Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00

W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer Network)
Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause is
no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
VEE support for a year.

But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
$680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license will
expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the Perpetual
License products and also buying ADN each year.

Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.

*Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
programming, troubleshooting, etc.

> Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> the days of
> one serial number
> for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> online. Then you have
> access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.

Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
reader available for this format.

> Steve assured me
> that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> be online.
> Some of us have
> computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.

But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card (NIC).
Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does not
have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
(12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
this number).

Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD, so
you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.

We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> VEE 6.1
> (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
>
> A few points we covered:
>
> 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> Manuals provided
> online)
>
> 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
>
> The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
>
> Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> Anything else will require
> some kind of software support.
>
> Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> the days of
> one serial number
> for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> online. Then you have
> access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> Steve assured me
> that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> be online.
> Some of us have
> computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> there were
> major changes
> with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> flux. So keep this in
> mind as you consider the information I have presented.
>
> Regards, Mike
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> this maillist, just email to "vrf@lvld.agilent.com".
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> unsubscriptions are done through the address
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> to "vrf-request@lvld.agilent.com".
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VRFuser May 31, 2002 12:21 AM
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Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:

> 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> Manuals provided
> online)

When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.

E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).

> 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)

E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The manuals
are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.

> Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00

W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer Network)
Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause is
no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
VEE support for a year.

But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
$680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license will
expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the Perpetual
License products and also buying ADN each year.

Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.

*Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
programming, troubleshooting, etc.

> Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> the days of
> one serial number
> for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> online. Then you have
> access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.

Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
reader available for this format.

> Steve assured me
> that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> be online.
> Some of us have
> computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.

But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card (NIC).
Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does not
have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
(12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
this number).

Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD, so
you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.

We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> VEE 6.1
> (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
>
> A few points we covered:
>
> 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> Manuals provided
> online)
>
> 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
>
> The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
>
> Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> Anything else will require
> some kind of software support.
>
> Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> the days of
> one serial number
> for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> online. Then you have
> access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> Steve assured me
> that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> be online.
> Some of us have
> computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> there were
> major changes
> with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> flux. So keep this in
> mind as you consider the information I have presented.
>
> Regards, Mike
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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VRFuser May 31, 2002 1:49 AM
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Scott

Most of my STE computers do not and WILL NOT have a NIC in them. How will I get VEE installed onto them if that's how the license works?

Dave Andersen
Software Engineer
Communication Systems Division
General Dynamics Decision Systems

email: Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com or
p26278@gd-decisionsystems.com
phone:(480) 441-8764
fax: (480) 441-8500
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-----Original Message-----
From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:22 PM
To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:

> 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> Manuals provided
> online)

When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.

E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).

> 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)

E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The manuals
are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.

> Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00

W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer Network)
Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause is
no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
VEE support for a year.

But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
$680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license will
expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the Perpetual
License products and also buying ADN each year.

Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.

*Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
programming, troubleshooting, etc.

> Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> the days of
> one serial number
> for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> online. Then you have
> access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.

Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
reader available for this format.

> Steve assured me
> that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> be online.
> Some of us have
> computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.

But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card (NIC).
Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does not
have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
(12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
this number).

Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD, so
you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.

We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> VEE 6.1
> (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
>
> A few points we covered:
>
> 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> Manuals provided
> online)
>
> 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
>
> The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
>
> Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> Anything else will require
> some kind of software support.
>
> Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> the days of
> one serial number
> for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> online. Then you have
> access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> Steve assured me
> that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> be online.
> Some of us have
> computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> there were
> major changes
> with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> flux. So keep this in
> mind as you consider the information I have presented.
>
> Regards, Mike
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VRFuser May 31, 2002 1:49 AM
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Scott

Most of my STE computers do not and WILL NOT have a NIC in them. How will I get VEE installed onto them if that's how the license works?

Dave Andersen
Software Engineer
Communication Systems Division
General Dynamics Decision Systems

email: Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com or
p26278@gd-decisionsystems.com
phone:(480) 441-8764
fax: (480) 441-8500
numeric pager: (602) 673-8458
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-----Original Message-----
From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:22 PM
To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:

> 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> Manuals provided
> online)

When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.

E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).

> 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)

E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The manuals
are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.

> Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00

W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer Network)
Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause is
no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
VEE support for a year.

But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
$680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license will
expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the Perpetual
License products and also buying ADN each year.

Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.

*Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
programming, troubleshooting, etc.

> Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> the days of
> one serial number
> for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> online. Then you have
> access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.

Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
reader available for this format.

> Steve assured me
> that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> be online.
> Some of us have
> computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.

But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card (NIC).
Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does not
have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
(12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
this number).

Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD, so
you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.

We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> VEE 6.1
> (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
>
> A few points we covered:
>
> 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> Manuals provided
> online)
>
> 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
>
> The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
>
> Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> Anything else will require
> some kind of software support.
>
> Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> the days of
> one serial number
> for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> online. Then you have
> access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> Steve assured me
> that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> be online.
> Some of us have
> computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> there were
> major changes
> with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> flux. So keep this in
> mind as you consider the information I have presented.
>
> Regards, Mike
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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tdllc01 Jun 2, 2002 5:59 PM
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Adding more fuel to the fire:

What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the motherboard
and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer required
to purchase another license?

This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions are
moved within the company.

George Tyrrell
TestDynamics LLC

----- Original Message -----
From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

> Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
>
> When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
> online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
> installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
> 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
> E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.
>
> E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
> it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
manuals
> are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
>
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
Network)
> Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
> www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause
is
> no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
> VEE support for a year.
>
> But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
> $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
> provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
> that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license
will
> expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
> support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
Perpetual
> License products and also buying ADN each year.
>
> Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
> with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
>
> *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
> working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> programming, troubleshooting, etc.
>
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
>
> Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
> reader available for this format.
>
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
(NIC).
> Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does
not
> have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
> (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
> this number).
>
> Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD,
so
> you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
> installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
> good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.
>
> We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
> products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Scott Bayes
> Software Technical Support
>
> Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> 815 14th Street S.W.
> Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
>
> 970 679 3799 Tel
> 970 635 6867 Fax
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> > VEE 6.1
> > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> >
> > A few points we covered:
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> >
> > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
> >
> > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> > Anything else will require
> > some kind of software support.
> >
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > there were
> > major changes
> > with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> > flux. So keep this in
> > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> >
> > Regards, Mike
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > This is the "vrf" maillist, managed by Majordomo. To send messages to
> > this maillist, just email to "vrf@lvld.agilent.com".
> > Subscriptions and
> > unsubscriptions are done through the address
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> > to "vrf-request@lvld.agilent.com".
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tdllc01 Jun 2, 2002 5:59 PM
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Adding more fuel to the fire:

What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the motherboard
and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer required
to purchase another license?

This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions are
moved within the company.

George Tyrrell
TestDynamics LLC

----- Original Message -----
From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

> Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
>
> When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
> online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
> installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
> 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
> E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.
>
> E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
> it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
manuals
> are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
>
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
Network)
> Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
> www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause
is
> no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
> VEE support for a year.
>
> But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
> $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
> provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
> that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license
will
> expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
> support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
Perpetual
> License products and also buying ADN each year.
>
> Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
> with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
>
> *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
> working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> programming, troubleshooting, etc.
>
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
>
> Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
> reader available for this format.
>
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
(NIC).
> Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does
not
> have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
> (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
> this number).
>
> Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD,
so
> you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
> installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
> good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.
>
> We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
> products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Scott Bayes
> Software Technical Support
>
> Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> 815 14th Street S.W.
> Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
>
> 970 679 3799 Tel
> 970 635 6867 Fax
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> > VEE 6.1
> > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> >
> > A few points we covered:
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> >
> > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
> >
> > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> > Anything else will require
> > some kind of software support.
> >
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > there were
> > major changes
> > with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> > flux. So keep this in
> > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> >
> > Regards, Mike
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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VRFuser Jun 2, 2002 7:06 PM
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And here as well - most of my testers do not have a NIC card, and I certainly wouldn't want to buy cards just to allow the new VEE to be installed!

Reiner Schlieker
Test Equipment Designer
Siemens Milltronics Process Instruments Inc.
Phone: (705) 740-7553
Fax: (705) 740-7692
e-mail: reiners@milltronics.com

>>> "Cornelius, Hal (RPI)" <CorneliusHE@navair.navy.mil> 06/03/02 09:58AM >>>
Same here. No network cards allowed, for security reasons. I cannot even
think about installing one. Does the software look to see if a NIC exists
or does it just ask for a LAN-ID number?

Hal Cornelius
Titan Systems
Operations Analysis and Training Group.
China Lake, Ca.
760/939-9008
760-939-2331 (Fax)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andersen Dave-P26278 [SMTP:Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 4:50 PM
> To: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)
> Cc: VEE Reflector
> Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Scott
>
> Most of my STE computers do not and WILL NOT have a NIC in them. How will
> I get VEE installed onto them if that's how the license works?
>
>
> Dave Andersen
> Software Engineer
> Communication Systems Division
> General Dynamics Decision Systems
>
> email: Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com or
> p26278@gd-decisionsystems.com
> phone:(480) 441-8764
> fax: (480) 441-8500
> numeric pager: (602) 673-8458
> text pager via email: 6026170992@mobile.att.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:22 PM
> To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
>
> When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
> online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
> installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
> 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
> E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.
>
> E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
> it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
>
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
> www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause
> is
> no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
> VEE support for a year.
>
> But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
> $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
> provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
> that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license
> will
> expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
> support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> License products and also buying ADN each year.
>
> Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
> with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
>
> *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
> working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> programming, troubleshooting, etc.
>
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
>
> Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
> reader available for this format.
>
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does
> not
> have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
> (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
> this number).
>
> Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD,
> so
> you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
> installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
> good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.
>
> We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
> products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Scott Bayes
> Software Technical Support
>
> Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> 815 14th Street S.W.
> Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
>
> 970 679 3799 Tel
> 970 635 6867 Fax
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> > VEE 6.1
> > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> >
> > A few points we covered:
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> >
> > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
> >
> > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> > Anything else will require
> > some kind of software support.
> >
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > there were
> > major changes
> > with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> > flux. So keep this in
> > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> >
> > Regards, Mike
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > this maillist, just email to "vrf@lvld.agilent.com".
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And here as well - most of my testers do not have a NIC card, and I certainly wouldn't want to buy cards just to allow the new VEE to be installed!

Reiner Schlieker
Test Equipment Designer
Siemens Milltronics Process Instruments Inc.
Phone: (705) 740-7553
Fax: (705) 740-7692
e-mail: reiners@milltronics.com

>>> "Cornelius, Hal (RPI)" <CorneliusHE@navair.navy.mil> 06/03/02 09:58AM >>>
Same here. No network cards allowed, for security reasons. I cannot even
think about installing one. Does the software look to see if a NIC exists
or does it just ask for a LAN-ID number?

Hal Cornelius
Titan Systems
Operations Analysis and Training Group.
China Lake, Ca.
760/939-9008
760-939-2331 (Fax)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andersen Dave-P26278 [SMTP:Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 4:50 PM
> To: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)
> Cc: VEE Reflector
> Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Scott
>
> Most of my STE computers do not and WILL NOT have a NIC in them. How will
> I get VEE installed onto them if that's how the license works?
>
>
> Dave Andersen
> Software Engineer
> Communication Systems Division
> General Dynamics Decision Systems
>
> email: Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com or
> p26278@gd-decisionsystems.com
> phone:(480) 441-8764
> fax: (480) 441-8500
> numeric pager: (602) 673-8458
> text pager via email: 6026170992@mobile.att.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:22 PM
> To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
>
> When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
> online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
> installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
> 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
> E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.
>
> E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
> it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
>
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
> www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause
> is
> no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
> VEE support for a year.
>
> But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
> $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
> provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
> that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license
> will
> expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
> support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> License products and also buying ADN each year.
>
> Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
> with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
>
> *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
> working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> programming, troubleshooting, etc.
>
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
>
> Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
> reader available for this format.
>
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does
> not
> have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
> (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
> this number).
>
> Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD,
> so
> you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
> installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
> good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.
>
> We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
> products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Scott Bayes
> Software Technical Support
>
> Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> 815 14th Street S.W.
> Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
>
> 970 679 3799 Tel
> 970 635 6867 Fax
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> > VEE 6.1
> > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> >
> > A few points we covered:
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> >
> > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
> >
> > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> > Anything else will require
> > some kind of software support.
> >
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > there were
> > major changes
> > with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> > flux. So keep this in
> > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> >
> > Regards, Mike
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > This is the "vrf" maillist, managed by Majordomo. To send messages to
> > this maillist, just email to "vrf@lvld.agilent.com".
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ramarquardt Jun 2, 2002 8:42 PM
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Does Agilent think they we are cheating them?
That's my first thought when I see the massive effort to
control the licenses. This is NOT home computer user
software that is pirated by the masses. Our company
would never take the risk of pirating software and I
feel a bit offended when a vendor makes the assumption
that I am a thief. If anything, we have too many copies of
VEE development. Agilents new system should cut that
down significantly.

We buy a new copy of VEE development with every new test
machine because it's too valuable to not to have it readily
available if the equipment needs troubleshooting [we have testers
all over the country that are supported from Milwaukee].

It would be nice to get some kind of license by the number of
developers regardless of the number of test machines we have it installed
on. A developer can only work on one at a time. Apparently NI
has addressed this issue already - not completely to my liking
but a large step in the right direction.

Agilent ..... Are you listening ????

...Rob

"Davis, Jeff" <jeff.davis@cdi-es.com>@lvld.agilent.com on 06/03/2002
11:16:51 AM

Sent by: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com

To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
cc:

Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

MORE FUEL:

Yeah -- George has this one summed up pretty good.

What happens when a NIC goes bad, or gets upgraded/changed by a companies
IT
department unbeknownst to the user ?

What happens when a developer that is working at multiple sites that are
not
geographically close in proximity takes his VEE development environment
with
him to fix an emergency offsite problem (of COURSE uninstalling it from his
home-base computer first ?

I think that tying the license to a NIC cards MAC address is a cheap and
lazy (though effective) way to generate a license code. If Agilent is going
to spend their time coming up with new security features, instead of adding
REAL content and upgraded functionality to VEE then that is a pretty good
indication of the future (or lack thereof) of their development direction
for VEE.

I am definitely going to pass on this "UPGRADE" ~ it is really no more than
a bug-fix with support for Windows XP, and an over glorified MAC address
checker.

Jeff Davis
Embedded Systems - CDI Technical Services
3137 E Elwood # 160
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)
Cell: (480)330-1431
Fax: (602)431-4435
http://www.cdicad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: George Tyrrell [mailto:tdllc01@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:59 AM
To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Adding more fuel to the fire:

What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the motherboard
and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
to purchase another license?

This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions are
moved within the company.

George Tyrrell
TestDynamics LLC

----- Original Message -----
From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

> Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
>
> When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
> online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
> installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
> 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
> E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.
>
> E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You
buy
> it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
manuals
> are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
>
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
Network)
> Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
> www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause
is
> no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you
get
> VEE support for a year.
>
> But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
> $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support
it
> provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
> that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license
will
> expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate
the
> support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
Perpetual
> License products and also buying ADN each year.
>
> Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same
as
> with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
>
> *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
> working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> programming, troubleshooting, etc.
>
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
>
> Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
> reader available for this format.
>
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
(NIC).
> Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does
not
> have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
> (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> this number).
>
> Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD,
so
> you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
> installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be
a
> good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.
>
> We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Scott Bayes
> Software Technical Support
>
> Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> 815 14th Street S.W.
> Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
>
> 970 679 3799 Tel
> 970 635 6867 Fax
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> > VEE 6.1
> > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> >
> > A few points we covered:
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> >
> > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
> >
> > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> > Anything else will require
> > some kind of software support.
> >
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > there were
> > major changes
> > with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> > flux. So keep this in
> > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> >
> > Regards, Mike
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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ramarquardt Jun 2, 2002 8:42 PM
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Does Agilent think they we are cheating them?
That's my first thought when I see the massive effort to
control the licenses. This is NOT home computer user
software that is pirated by the masses. Our company
would never take the risk of pirating software and I
feel a bit offended when a vendor makes the assumption
that I am a thief. If anything, we have too many copies of
VEE development. Agilents new system should cut that
down significantly.

We buy a new copy of VEE development with every new test
machine because it's too valuable to not to have it readily
available if the equipment needs troubleshooting [we have testers
all over the country that are supported from Milwaukee].

It would be nice to get some kind of license by the number of
developers regardless of the number of test machines we have it installed
on. A developer can only work on one at a time. Apparently NI
has addressed this issue already - not completely to my liking
but a large step in the right direction.

Agilent ..... Are you listening ????

...Rob

"Davis, Jeff" <jeff.davis@cdi-es.com>@lvld.agilent.com on 06/03/2002
11:16:51 AM

Sent by: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com

To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
cc:

Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

MORE FUEL:

Yeah -- George has this one summed up pretty good.

What happens when a NIC goes bad, or gets upgraded/changed by a companies
IT
department unbeknownst to the user ?

What happens when a developer that is working at multiple sites that are
not
geographically close in proximity takes his VEE development environment
with
him to fix an emergency offsite problem (of COURSE uninstalling it from his
home-base computer first ?

I think that tying the license to a NIC cards MAC address is a cheap and
lazy (though effective) way to generate a license code. If Agilent is going
to spend their time coming up with new security features, instead of adding
REAL content and upgraded functionality to VEE then that is a pretty good
indication of the future (or lack thereof) of their development direction
for VEE.

I am definitely going to pass on this "UPGRADE" ~ it is really no more than
a bug-fix with support for Windows XP, and an over glorified MAC address
checker.

Jeff Davis
Embedded Systems - CDI Technical Services
3137 E Elwood # 160
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)
Cell: (480)330-1431
Fax: (602)431-4435
http://www.cdicad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: George Tyrrell [mailto:tdllc01@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:59 AM
To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Adding more fuel to the fire:

What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the motherboard
and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
to purchase another license?

This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions are
moved within the company.

George Tyrrell
TestDynamics LLC

----- Original Message -----
From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

> Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
>
> When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
> online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
> installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
> 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
> E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.
>
> E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You
buy
> it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
manuals
> are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
>
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
Network)
> Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
> www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause
is
> no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you
get
> VEE support for a year.
>
> But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
> $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support
it
> provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
> that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license
will
> expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate
the
> support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
Perpetual
> License products and also buying ADN each year.
>
> Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same
as
> with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
>
> *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
> working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> programming, troubleshooting, etc.
>
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
>
> Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
> reader available for this format.
>
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
(NIC).
> Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does
not
> have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
> (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> this number).
>
> Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD,
so
> you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
> installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be
a
> good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.
>
> We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Scott Bayes
> Software Technical Support
>
> Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> 815 14th Street S.W.
> Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
>
> 970 679 3799 Tel
> 970 635 6867 Fax
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> > VEE 6.1
> > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> >
> > A few points we covered:
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> >
> > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
> >
> > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> > Anything else will require
> > some kind of software support.
> >
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > there were
> > major changes
> > with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> > flux. So keep this in
> > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> >
> > Regards, Mike
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > This is the "vrf" maillist, managed by Majordomo. To send messages to
> > this maillist, just email to "vrf@lvld.agilent.com".
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VRFuser Jun 2, 2002 11:44 PM
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Well, I'm missing the NIC! I still haven't heard what I will have to do to even install VEE 6.1. Will 6.01 still be available to purchase???

Dave Andersen

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Groves
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:34 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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VRFuser Jun 2, 2002 11:44 PM
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Well, I'm missing the NIC! I still haven't heard what I will have to do to even install VEE 6.1. Will 6.01 still be available to purchase???

Dave Andersen

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Groves
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:34 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 12:28 AM
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That might work if I had a USB port. The computers I install VEE on are specially made, not the standard desktop version. Our customer has specific requirements for the system. I am unable to just add a NIC card to the configuration.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Groves
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:05 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Maybe you could buy a USB NIC and use it like a dongle. You can get a 3Com
one for about $15. If that works, that could solve the other problem of
wanting to run VEE on multiple machines, but only one at a time.

I don't claim to know any more about this tht the rest of you. I just think
that waiting for Agilent to make it clear how all this is going to work is
better than try to guess how it's NOT going to work.

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Andersen Dave-P26278 [mailto:Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:45 PM
To: VEE Reflector
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Well, I'm missing the NIC! I still haven't heard what I will have to do to even install VEE 6.1. Will 6.01 still be available to purchase???

Dave Andersen

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Groves
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:34 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 12:28 AM
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That might work if I had a USB port. The computers I install VEE on are specially made, not the standard desktop version. Our customer has specific requirements for the system. I am unable to just add a NIC card to the configuration.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Groves
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:05 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Maybe you could buy a USB NIC and use it like a dongle. You can get a 3Com
one for about $15. If that works, that could solve the other problem of
wanting to run VEE on multiple machines, but only one at a time.

I don't claim to know any more about this tht the rest of you. I just think
that waiting for Agilent to make it clear how all this is going to work is
better than try to guess how it's NOT going to work.

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Andersen Dave-P26278 [mailto:Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:45 PM
To: VEE Reflector
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Well, I'm missing the NIC! I still haven't heard what I will have to do to even install VEE 6.1. Will 6.01 still be available to purchase???

Dave Andersen

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Groves
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:34 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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tdllc01 Jun 3, 2002 1:28 AM
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USB doesn't work on NT4...

George Tyrrell

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Groves" <Mike.Groves@ultrarf.com>
To: "VEE Reflector (E-mail)" <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
Sent: June 03, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Maybe you could buy a USB NIC and use it like a dongle. You can get a 3Com
one for about $15. If that works, that could solve the other problem of
wanting to run VEE on multiple machines, but only one at a time.

I don't claim to know any more about this tht the rest of you. I just think
that waiting for Agilent to make it clear how all this is going to work is
better than try to guess how it's NOT going to work.

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Andersen Dave-P26278 [mailto:Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:45 PM
To: VEE Reflector
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Well, I'm missing the NIC! I still haven't heard what I will have to do to
even install VEE 6.1. Will 6.01 still be available to purchase???

Dave Andersen

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Groves
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:34 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
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tdllc01 Jun 3, 2002 1:28 AM
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USB doesn't work on NT4...

George Tyrrell

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Groves" <Mike.Groves@ultrarf.com>
To: "VEE Reflector (E-mail)" <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
Sent: June 03, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Maybe you could buy a USB NIC and use it like a dongle. You can get a 3Com
one for about $15. If that works, that could solve the other problem of
wanting to run VEE on multiple machines, but only one at a time.

I don't claim to know any more about this tht the rest of you. I just think
that waiting for Agilent to make it clear how all this is going to work is
better than try to guess how it's NOT going to work.

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Andersen Dave-P26278 [mailto:Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:45 PM
To: VEE Reflector
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Well, I'm missing the NIC! I still haven't heard what I will have to do to
even install VEE 6.1. Will 6.01 still be available to purchase???

Dave Andersen

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Groves
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:34 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
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"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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hansolofalcon Jun 3, 2002 2:24 AM
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Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 6:58 AM
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Same here. No network cards allowed, for security reasons. I cannot even
think about installing one. Does the software look to see if a NIC exists
or does it just ask for a LAN-ID number?

Hal Cornelius
Titan Systems
Operations Analysis and Training Group.
China Lake, Ca.
760/939-9008
760-939-2331 (Fax)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andersen Dave-P26278 [SMTP:Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 4:50 PM
> To: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)
> Cc: VEE Reflector
> Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Scott
>
> Most of my STE computers do not and WILL NOT have a NIC in them. How will
> I get VEE installed onto them if that's how the license works?
>
>
> Dave Andersen
> Software Engineer
> Communication Systems Division
> General Dynamics Decision Systems
>
> email: Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com or
> p26278@gd-decisionsystems.com
> phone:(480) 441-8764
> fax: (480) 441-8500
> numeric pager: (602) 673-8458
> text pager via email: 6026170992@mobile.att.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:22 PM
> To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
>
> When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
> online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
> installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
> 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
> E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.
>
> E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
> it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
>
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
> www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause
> is
> no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
> VEE support for a year.
>
> But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
> $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
> provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
> that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license
> will
> expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
> support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> License products and also buying ADN each year.
>
> Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
> with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
>
> *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
> working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> programming, troubleshooting, etc.
>
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
>
> Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
> reader available for this format.
>
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does
> not
> have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
> (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
> this number).
>
> Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD,
> so
> you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
> installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
> good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.
>
> We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
> products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Scott Bayes
> Software Technical Support
>
> Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> 815 14th Street S.W.
> Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
>
> 970 679 3799 Tel
> 970 635 6867 Fax
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> > VEE 6.1
> > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> >
> > A few points we covered:
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> >
> > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
> >
> > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> > Anything else will require
> > some kind of software support.
> >
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > there were
> > major changes
> > with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> > flux. So keep this in
> > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> >
> > Regards, Mike
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 6:58 AM
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Same here. No network cards allowed, for security reasons. I cannot even
think about installing one. Does the software look to see if a NIC exists
or does it just ask for a LAN-ID number?

Hal Cornelius
Titan Systems
Operations Analysis and Training Group.
China Lake, Ca.
760/939-9008
760-939-2331 (Fax)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andersen Dave-P26278 [SMTP:Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 4:50 PM
> To: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)
> Cc: VEE Reflector
> Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Scott
>
> Most of my STE computers do not and WILL NOT have a NIC in them. How will
> I get VEE installed onto them if that's how the license works?
>
>
> Dave Andersen
> Software Engineer
> Communication Systems Division
> General Dynamics Decision Systems
>
> email: Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com or
> p26278@gd-decisionsystems.com
> phone:(480) 441-8764
> fax: (480) 441-8500
> numeric pager: (602) 673-8458
> text pager via email: 6026170992@mobile.att.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:22 PM
> To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
>
> When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
> online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
> installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
> 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
> E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.
>
> E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
> it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
>
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
> www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause
> is
> no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
> VEE support for a year.
>
> But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
> $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
> provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
> that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license
> will
> expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
> support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> License products and also buying ADN each year.
>
> Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
> with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
>
> *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
> working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> programming, troubleshooting, etc.
>
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
>
> Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
> reader available for this format.
>
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does
> not
> have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
> (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
> this number).
>
> Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD,
> so
> you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
> installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
> good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.
>
> We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
> products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Scott Bayes
> Software Technical Support
>
> Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> 815 14th Street S.W.
> Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
>
> 970 679 3799 Tel
> 970 635 6867 Fax
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> > VEE 6.1
> > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> >
> > A few points we covered:
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> >
> > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
> >
> > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> > Anything else will require
> > some kind of software support.
> >
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > there were
> > major changes
> > with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> > flux. So keep this in
> > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> >
> > Regards, Mike
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 9:16 AM
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Yeah -- George has this one summed up pretty good.

What happens when a NIC goes bad, or gets upgraded/changed by a companies IT
department unbeknownst to the user ?

What happens when a developer that is working at multiple sites that are not
geographically close in proximity takes his VEE development environment with
him to fix an emergency offsite problem (of COURSE uninstalling it from his
home-base computer first ?

I think that tying the license to a NIC cards MAC address is a cheap and
lazy (though effective) way to generate a license code. If Agilent is going
to spend their time coming up with new security features, instead of adding
REAL content and upgraded functionality to VEE then that is a pretty good
indication of the future (or lack thereof) of their development direction
for VEE.

I am definitely going to pass on this "UPGRADE" ~ it is really no more than
a bug-fix with support for Windows XP, and an over glorified MAC address
checker.

Jeff Davis
Embedded Systems - CDI Technical Services
3137 E Elwood # 160
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)
Cell: (480)330-1431
Fax: (602)431-4435
http://www.cdicad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: George Tyrrell [mailto:tdllc01@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:59 AM
To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Adding more fuel to the fire:

What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the motherboard
and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer required
to purchase another license?

This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions are
moved within the company.

George Tyrrell
TestDynamics LLC

----- Original Message -----
From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

> Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
>
> When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
> online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
> installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
> 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
> E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.
>
> E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
> it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
manuals
> are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
>
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
Network)
> Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
> www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause
is
> no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
> VEE support for a year.
>
> But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
> $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
> provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
> that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license
will
> expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
> support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
Perpetual
> License products and also buying ADN each year.
>
> Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
> with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
>
> *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
> working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> programming, troubleshooting, etc.
>
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
>
> Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
> reader available for this format.
>
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
(NIC).
> Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does
not
> have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
> (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
> this number).
>
> Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD,
so
> you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
> installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
> good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.
>
> We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
> products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Scott Bayes
> Software Technical Support
>
> Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> 815 14th Street S.W.
> Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
>
> 970 679 3799 Tel
> 970 635 6867 Fax
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> > VEE 6.1
> > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> >
> > A few points we covered:
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> >
> > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
> >
> > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> > Anything else will require
> > some kind of software support.
> >
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > there were
> > major changes
> > with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> > flux. So keep this in
> > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> >
> > Regards, Mike
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 9:16 AM
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Yeah -- George has this one summed up pretty good.

What happens when a NIC goes bad, or gets upgraded/changed by a companies IT
department unbeknownst to the user ?

What happens when a developer that is working at multiple sites that are not
geographically close in proximity takes his VEE development environment with
him to fix an emergency offsite problem (of COURSE uninstalling it from his
home-base computer first ?

I think that tying the license to a NIC cards MAC address is a cheap and
lazy (though effective) way to generate a license code. If Agilent is going
to spend their time coming up with new security features, instead of adding
REAL content and upgraded functionality to VEE then that is a pretty good
indication of the future (or lack thereof) of their development direction
for VEE.

I am definitely going to pass on this "UPGRADE" ~ it is really no more than
a bug-fix with support for Windows XP, and an over glorified MAC address
checker.

Jeff Davis
Embedded Systems - CDI Technical Services
3137 E Elwood # 160
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)
Cell: (480)330-1431
Fax: (602)431-4435
http://www.cdicad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: George Tyrrell [mailto:tdllc01@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:59 AM
To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Adding more fuel to the fire:

What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the motherboard
and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer required
to purchase another license?

This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions are
moved within the company.

George Tyrrell
TestDynamics LLC

----- Original Message -----
From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

> Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
>
> When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is delivered
> online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE 6.1
> installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from the
> 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you need
> E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product number.
>
> E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products. You buy
> it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
>
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
>
> E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
manuals
> are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
>
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
>
> W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
Network)
> Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go to <
> www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year clause
is
> no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A you get
> VEE support for a year.
>
> But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU) at
> $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full support it
> provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish during
> that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the license
will
> expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and appreciate the
> support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
Perpetual
> License products and also buying ADN each year.
>
> Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the same as
> with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
>
> *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in good
> working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> programming, troubleshooting, etc.
>
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
>
> Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a free
> reader available for this format.
>
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
>
> But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
(NIC).
> Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it does
not
> have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the NIC
> (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to determine
> this number).
>
> Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive a CD,
so
> you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get it
> installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines. Might be a
> good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE workstations.
>
> We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the downloadable
> products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Scott Bayes
> Software Technical Support
>
> Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> 815 14th Street S.W.
> Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
>
> 970 679 3799 Tel
> 970 635 6867 Fax
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and availability of
> > VEE 6.1
> > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> >
> > A few points we covered:
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > Manuals provided
> > online)
> >
> > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> >
> > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy manuals.
> >
> > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation issues.
> > Anything else will require
> > some kind of software support.
> >
> > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > the days of
> > one serial number
> > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register it
> > online. Then you have
> > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only option.
> > Steve assured me
> > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > be online.
> > Some of us have
> > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > there were
> > major changes
> > with licensing and support going on and that some things were still in
> > flux. So keep this in
> > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> >
> > Regards, Mike
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hey folks, let's not condemn it until we know all the facts. Yes, ANY
kind of copy protection is a pain in the **** no matter what kind they
choose. The simple fact that they ARE trying to protect their product
tells me they ARE concerned about it. This is NOT the marketing strategy
of someone who is thinking about killing their product.

I, like you, HATE any kind of loss of freedom, but unfortunately there
are those who make this necessary. We have not been told the underlying
reasons for the need for copy protection, but perhaps Agilent feels if
VEE is to progress to anywhere near the success of its other software
package, namely ADS, it is going to have to go through some growing pains,
one of them being this idea of copy protection.

A NIC goes bad and has to be replaced. No big deal. Give Agilent a call
with the new MAC address and get a new code. You can probably do it VIA
email. For the most part we STILL will be on the "honor" system. You could
call them and tell them you would like the license moved to another machine
and they give you a new code to use. What would stop you for still using
it on the old machine for the rest of the year? Nothing.

Let's stop bashing it until we've actually installed it and taken it for
a spin. THEN if you don't like it you are welcome to voice your opinion.

Mike Groves

No longer UltraRF.
We are now known as:
CREE Microwave, Inc.
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 10:53 AM
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Hey folks, let's not condemn it until we know all the facts. Yes, ANY
kind of copy protection is a pain in the **** no matter what kind they
choose. The simple fact that they ARE trying to protect their product
tells me they ARE concerned about it. This is NOT the marketing strategy
of someone who is thinking about killing their product.

I, like you, HATE any kind of loss of freedom, but unfortunately there
are those who make this necessary. We have not been told the underlying
reasons for the need for copy protection, but perhaps Agilent feels if
VEE is to progress to anywhere near the success of its other software
package, namely ADS, it is going to have to go through some growing pains,
one of them being this idea of copy protection.

A NIC goes bad and has to be replaced. No big deal. Give Agilent a call
with the new MAC address and get a new code. You can probably do it VIA
email. For the most part we STILL will be on the "honor" system. You could
call them and tell them you would like the license moved to another machine
and they give you a new code to use. What would stop you for still using
it on the old machine for the rest of the year? Nothing.

Let's stop bashing it until we've actually installed it and taken it for
a spin. THEN if you don't like it you are welcome to voice your opinion.

Mike Groves

No longer UltraRF.
We are now known as:
CREE Microwave, Inc.
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 2:33 PM
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I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
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> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 2:33 PM
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I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 3:04 PM
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Maybe you could buy a USB NIC and use it like a dongle. You can get a 3Com
one for about $15. If that works, that could solve the other problem of
wanting to run VEE on multiple machines, but only one at a time.

I don't claim to know any more about this tht the rest of you. I just think
that waiting for Agilent to make it clear how all this is going to work is
better than try to guess how it's NOT going to work.

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Andersen Dave-P26278 [mailto:Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:45 PM
To: VEE Reflector
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Well, I'm missing the NIC! I still haven't heard what I will have to do to
even install VEE 6.1. Will 6.01 still be available to purchase???

Dave Andersen

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Groves
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:34 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 3:04 PM
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Maybe you could buy a USB NIC and use it like a dongle. You can get a 3Com
one for about $15. If that works, that could solve the other problem of
wanting to run VEE on multiple machines, but only one at a time.

I don't claim to know any more about this tht the rest of you. I just think
that waiting for Agilent to make it clear how all this is going to work is
better than try to guess how it's NOT going to work.

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Andersen Dave-P26278 [mailto:Dave.Andersen@gd-decisionsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:45 PM
To: VEE Reflector
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Well, I'm missing the NIC! I still haven't heard what I will have to do to
even install VEE 6.1. Will 6.01 still be available to purchase???

Dave Andersen

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Groves
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:34 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
---------------------------------------------------------------------
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VRFuser Jun 3, 2002 3:17 PM
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What about this one Mike...

Saturday evening...EMERGENCY troubleshooting session on a High-Rel job that
has a MAJOR deadline...Your development machine cooks off for some reason,
and WILL NOT boot; could be an OS problem, could be a hardware problem, it
doesn't matter since you cannot get your development machine to boot.

You decide to install VEE on a backup machine just to get you through the
troubleshooting session.

WRONG !!!

During the installation, you are prompted by VEE that your license ID is
invalid. You decide AHH HAA! I will swap the NIC's from the unbootable
machine to the backup machine.

WRONG!!!

Your company does not allow its users to have ADMIN rights on the client
machines, you are shut down until you can get an IT guy to come in and swap
the card. You lose valuable development time waiting for the IT guy to show
up, IF you can even get one to respond to your emergency pages. Rearrange
this scenario to happen on a LAPTOP with integrated NIC, and now you cannot
even SWAP the NIC's to get you through the emergency troubleshooting
session.

I know it seems like a stretch, but is it really that far off ? I am not
trying to hammer on Agilent, I just do not like the idea that they are
adding this security feature without providing details on it on their
website ~

---------------------------- LATE ENTRY ------------------------------

The USB Dongle is a BRILLIANT IDEA !

Jeff Davis
Embedded Systems - CDI Technical Services
3137 E Elwood # 160
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)
Cell: (480)330-1431
Fax: (602)431-4435
http://www.cdicad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Groves [mailto:Mike.Groves@ultrarf.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:34 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
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What about this one Mike...

Saturday evening...EMERGENCY troubleshooting session on a High-Rel job that
has a MAJOR deadline...Your development machine cooks off for some reason,
and WILL NOT boot; could be an OS problem, could be a hardware problem, it
doesn't matter since you cannot get your development machine to boot.

You decide to install VEE on a backup machine just to get you through the
troubleshooting session.

WRONG !!!

During the installation, you are prompted by VEE that your license ID is
invalid. You decide AHH HAA! I will swap the NIC's from the unbootable
machine to the backup machine.

WRONG!!!

Your company does not allow its users to have ADMIN rights on the client
machines, you are shut down until you can get an IT guy to come in and swap
the card. You lose valuable development time waiting for the IT guy to show
up, IF you can even get one to respond to your emergency pages. Rearrange
this scenario to happen on a LAPTOP with integrated NIC, and now you cannot
even SWAP the NIC's to get you through the emergency troubleshooting
session.

I know it seems like a stretch, but is it really that far off ? I am not
trying to hammer on Agilent, I just do not like the idea that they are
adding this security feature without providing details on it on their
website ~

---------------------------- LATE ENTRY ------------------------------

The USB Dongle is a BRILLIANT IDEA !

Jeff Davis
Embedded Systems - CDI Technical Services
3137 E Elwood # 160
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)
Cell: (480)330-1431
Fax: (602)431-4435
http://www.cdicad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Groves [mailto:Mike.Groves@ultrarf.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:34 PM
To: VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

I'm not keen on this idea either, but I don't see where replacing a mobo
is a big issue. Put a new one in, get the new MAC address off the onboard
NIC, call Agilent and get a new code. What am I missing?

Mike Groves

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:24 PM
To: Vrf
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Normally with these discussions, I turn on the lurking mode, and refuse
to comment, and be content to just read the mail. Not this time. George
is indeed correct. What does happen here? It reminds me of the silly
issues Microsoft used for investing in its registration /activation
wizard for XP. Yes, what does happen when a mobo that is wearing its NIC
onboard, and something fails, other then the NIC? And the mobo needs to
be replaced? I remember a discussion on that same subject, twice, except
it was about those issues for XP, and it ran in a pair of groups that
they had called on it. The first one was the first System Builders group
meeting after the rumors were started for XP. The second came up, in a
TS2 meeting. You can guess the outcome. I was just plain annoyed that I
did not raise the issue first. Agilent, that idea should be reserved for
a later version, say the release with the first major number of this
decade. Keep the usual issues for product activation for VEE.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com [mailto:owner-vrf@lvld.agilent.com]
On Behalf
> Of George Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
> Adding more fuel to the fire:
>
> What happens with the license when the NIC is buried within the
motherboard
> and that processor fails or the computer upgraded - is the customer
required
> to purchase another license?
>
> This would also seem to place severe restrictions on the ability of a
> customer to manage their VEE licenses as personnel & job descriptions
are
> moved within the company.
>
> George Tyrrell
> TestDynamics LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)" <scott_bayes@Agilent.com>
> To: <vrf@lvld.agilent.com>
> Sent: May 31, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
>
>
> > Some corrections and minor changes since you talked with Steve:
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> >
> > When you buy E2120AD (or E2120A, or E2120AU), the software is
delivered
> > online, so there's no CD included. You'll need to download the VEE
6.1
> > installer from our website. E2120AD is a single unit upgrade from
the
> > 6.0/6.01 revision only. If upgrading from VEE 5.x or earlier, you
need
> > E2120AU, $995.00. E2120A is the single unit non-upgrade product
number.
> >
> > E2120A, E2120AD, and E2120AU are all "perpetual licence" products.
You buy
> > it once, you own it forever. Support is limited* (see below).
> >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> >
> > E2120M is actually one Media and Manuals kit, $200.00 each set. The
> manuals
> > are the same as for VEE 6.01, with new cover art. The media is a CD.
> >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> >
> > W1150A is a one-year subscription to the new ADN (Agilent Developer
> Network)
> > Professional. It provides more than just phone/email VEE support. Go
to <
> > www.agilent.com/find/adn > for more info. The 5 incidents per year
clause
> is
> > no longer part of the definition; once you've purchased the W1150A
you get
> > VEE support for a year.
> >
> > But you may want to consider E2120AL, the Annual Right To Use (ARTU)
at
> > $680. This provides VEE 6.1, one year of ADN including the full
support it
> > provides, and no-cost access to any upgrades or updates we publish
during
> > that year. After 1 year, you have to buy E2120AL again, as the
license
> will
> > expire. For customers who want to stay current with VEE and
appreciate the
> > support ADN provides, this is a better deal than buying one of the
> Perpetual
> > License products and also buying ADN each year.
> >
> > Any vxe files you generate with any 6.1 product will work just the
same as
> > with VEE 6.01: no license file needed, no expiration.
> >
> > *Without full support, e.g. E2120AD, you still get installation and
> > licensing support, because we want to make sure the product is in
good
> > working condition for you, but you won't get help with debugging,
> > programming, troubleshooting, etc.
> >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> >
> > Yes. The manuals will be in Adobe Acrobat (pdf) format. There's a
free
> > reader available for this format.
> >
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> >
> > But please note that the license is tied to a Network Interface Card
> (NIC).
> > Each licensed machine will need to have a NIC installed, though it
does
> not
> > have to be connected to a LAN while running VEE. Part of the online
> > registration process requires that you provide the LAN ID from the
NIC
> > (12-digit hex number. We provide a utility that makes it easy to
determine
> > this number).
> >
> > Also, if you don't buy E2120M (Media and Manuals) you won't receive
a CD,
> so
> > you may need to connect isolated machines to a LAN in order to get
it
> > installed, or make a CD copy to carry around to those machines.
Might be a
> > good idea to buy one E2120M for sites with numerous VEE
workstations.
> >
> > We have an introductory offer that reduces the prices for the
downloadable
> > products by about 20% for online purchases. Go to
> > http://www.get.agilent.com/tmsw/store/ to learn about this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Scott Bayes
> > Software Technical Support
> >
> > Agilent Technologies, Inc.
> > 815 14th Street S.W.
> > Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537
> >
> > 970 679 3799 Tel
> > 970 635 6867 Fax
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael J. Sullivan [mailto:michaelj_sullivan@raytheon.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:24 PM
> > > To: vrf@lvld.agilent.com
> > > Subject: Re: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I recently contacted Steve Manion concerning price and
availability of
> > > VEE 6.1
> > > (Agilent Representative: 1-800-452-4844)
> > >
> > > A few points we covered:
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120AD) $395.00 each (No Manuals.
> > > Manuals provided
> > > online)
> > >
> > > 10 License Upgrades (E2120M) $595.00 each (Manuals provided)
> > >
> > > Software Support: 5 Incidents/Year (W1150A) $495.00
> > >
> > > I didn't inquire about single license pricing.
> > >
> > > The price differential seems a little high just for hard copy
manuals.
> > >
> > > Agilent will provide free phone assistance for installation
issues.
> > > Anything else will require
> > > some kind of software support.
> > >
> > > Each license copy will have its own serial number. Gone are
> > > the days of
> > > one serial number
> > > for multiple licenses. When you receive your software you register
it
> > > online. Then you have
> > > access to the manuals assuming you purchased the software only
option.
> > > Steve assured me
> > > that the computer you are installing VEE on does NOT have to
> > > be online.
> > > Some of us have
> > > computers that do not have internet access due to security issues.
> > >
> > > This information is about 3 weeks old. Steve informed me that
> > > there were
> > > major changes
> > > with licensing and support going on and that some things were
still in
> > > flux. So keep this in
> > > mind as you consider the information I have presented.
> > >
> > > Regards, Mike
> > >
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ramarquardt@ra.Rockwell.com wrote:
> It would be nice to get some kind of license by the number of
> developers regardless of the number of test machines we have it installed
> on. A developer can only work on one at a time. Apparently NI
> has addressed this issue already - not completely to my liking
> but a large step in the right direction.
>
> Agilent ..... Are you listening ????

The _good_ news is that the VEE folks are using FlexLM which
inherently provides floating licenses- so there is no technical
reason why they can't release network license as you suggest.

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ramarquardt@ra.Rockwell.com wrote:
> It would be nice to get some kind of license by the number of
> developers regardless of the number of test machines we have it installed
> on. A developer can only work on one at a time. Apparently NI
> has addressed this issue already - not completely to my liking
> but a large step in the right direction.
>
> Agilent ..... Are you listening ????

The _good_ news is that the VEE folks are using FlexLM which
inherently provides floating licenses- so there is no technical
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Hello vrf-ers.

We have not been ignoring the recent traffic on the vrf about VEE 6.01 to
6.1 upgrades, and VEE 6.03. We wanted to understand what you are faced with
and how we can make a reasonable response to the group before responding.
We've talked to some of you whom we felt were representative of the vrf with
respect to the upgrade issues, because we can't possibly talk to all of you
individually.

We will discuss the Licensing issues later, but for now, we need to get the
upgrade topic addressed.

I'm going to cover a number of areas in order to explain what you need to
know in order to evaluate the final part, which is "What is Agilent going to
_do_ for us?". I apologize for the length of this posting, but lack of
information and misinformation are large components of the current
situation.

We believe your primary concerns to be the following:

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

- defect fixes should be free anyway

- Agilent has done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

For now, please allow me to restrict the response to the above, and not
respond to the licensing/LAN card discussion that's filling my email-box. I
promise to respond to that topic in the near future, but the stated focus
for this email is already complex enough. I'm sure there are other concerns
that I won't address in this response. Please hold off on them for a while
too, till we can get this one resolved.

Let me respond to the concerns in the order that I believe makes it easiest
to understand.

- we have done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

Not trying to hide anything at all. As insiders who live and breathe it, and
talk VEE 6.1 every day, we just didn't realize it wouldn't be immediately
obvious to web visitors that 6.1 is new and replaces 6.01. By the way, 6.1
is indeed the "VEE-NR" that I mentioned on the vrf back in Dec and again in
Jan/Feb.

I posted a part number and pricing clarification for VEE 6.1 a few days ago
on the vrf, in case you're not familiar with the pricing details and options
for the new product.

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

6.03 was purpose-built as a limited-release, temporary revision. The
purposes were:

 - T&M Toolkit for .NET needed some Automation Server functionality
 not found in 6.01. We initiated 6.03 primarily to provide that
 functionality to T&M Toolkit beta testers.

 - because we were already modifying the VEE source and would have
 to do QA anyway, we decided to fix some of the highest weight
 defects, particularly those which we knew specific customers
 were experiencing show-stopper problems. In addition, R&D chose
 to fix some other defects. We intended a limited distribution of
 6.03 to only the specific customers experiencing the show-stopper
 problems; later some other customers also experiencing
show-stopper
 problems received the 6.03 patch. We warned these recipients of
 6.03 that it was an unsupported revision that would need to be
 replaced when 6.1 became available, as we could not afford to
 support 6.03 long-term.

By the way, 6.03 was actually released only as a patch that would update
copies of 6.01. As far as I know, it was never provided as a complete VEE
executable. So when I say "6.03" I mean the patch or VEE 6.01 updated by the
patch to 6.03 as appropriate.

To distribute 6.03 for bugfix purposes, we decided to place it on the ftp
server that the vrf discovered. We gave the appropriate URL to the customers
we had been in contact with, and hoped no one else would find it.

In this day of extensive web search engines like Google, this "security by
obscurity" was a mistake.

A final major piece of information: 6.03 is significantly less capable than
6.1. It includes only the Toolkit functionality and some defect fixes. It
does not include Windows XP support, MATLAB 6.1 integration and support, and
a lot of the defect fixes found in 6.1. As a matter of fact, the VEE R&D
team acquired the services of one of our best ActiveX R&D experts not long
after 6.03 was wrapped up, and she fixed a lot of the known ActiveX defects,
plus generally cleaning up the ActiveX handling in VEE. I think 6.1 has a
lot of value over 6.03.

We are going to remove the 6.03 patches from the ftp site because we have
decided to make them a supported part of T&M Toolkit for .NET product. The
patches and a Readme will appear on the T&M Toolkit CD and in the download
from ADN. They are intended for use by T&M Toolkit programmers who want to
use their VEE code from .NET. For users for whom VEE is vital, like those on
the vrf, we recommend upgrading to VEE 6.1 because it is more complete than
6.03.

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

In retrospect, we agree that there is not as much value as users would
expect in the new revision. We agree we need to provide more value for this
price. Please read on.

- defect fixes should be free anyway

I'd like to put aside this rather highly charged topic until we get to the
changes we are making to increase the value of the update.

----

I'll ask you to bear with me in this section, because I am going to describe
a brand-new product--the Agilent Developer Network (ADN)--as I believe it is
not well understood by most VEE customers. Yet when we have explained it to
these customers, they have agreed it could be quite valuable to them. It's
worth reading about ADN because it is what we are going to add to E2120AD.

ADN provides real value to VEE and instrument users (note that some of the
content is available for free, no purchase needed, and some requires buying
ADN Professional, at $495/year):

 - access to documents written by experts. This is the distilled
expertise of the Agilent support and R&D communities, especially those who
use VEE and I/O. Code snippets, tech notes, extended tech discussions, white
papers, app notes. Think of this as self-help material. Note that it is a
bit sparse right now, but we are continually adding content. I have
contributed or edited a lot of material that is now on the ADN website or is
"in the pipeline" and should appear soon.

 - tech support. ADN Pro allows you to submit a technical (or
non-tech, if you wish) support question and get an answer from us. You can
do it by email, if you're tired of being passed around on the phone! It is
the mechanism by which we provide the full support included in E2120AL, the
VEE 6.1 Annual Right To Use, for example. If the questions are deep enough,
they come back to Nicole and me, and we can take them to the VEE or Toolkit
R&D teams when necessary.

 - access to the latest product updates, instrument drivers, IO
Libraries, instrument and software manuals, etc. All nicely organized and
easy to get at. At last you can stop searching the Agilent general site
trying to find a programming manual for an E34401, or whatever. There's also
a program that examines your system and advises you what is out-of-date,
e.g. I/O Libraries K.01.00, and gives you an option to download any updates.

 - community. Discussion forums, a place to post apps or snippets you
want to share, and a place to post your story about how you designed an
application or test system, etc. Submit a bug report to us from the free ADN
Basic area. We plan to put the vrf into ADN Basic, as well. Don't panic, we
won't charge for it; it will stay free for all users. Nicole will send a vrf
message asking about your need for email access to vrf, since ADN is
web-centric; this is your chance to make your needs known to us, so please
respond to her.

ADN Basic, the free version, requires you to register and provide some basic
info about yourself on the Web (we follow the Agilent Privacy Policy), and
provides some pretty good self-help stuff, though not software updates or
Agilent tech support. You can try it, if you like, at <
www.agilent.com/find/adn >.

ADN Professional, W1150A, $495/year, provides more content in most of the
above areas, plus access to minor product updates for VEE and T&M Toolkit
for .NET, Tech Support, and regularly shipped CDs with much of the content
of the ADN Pro website on them (popular drivers, IO Libraries, white papers,
demos and evaluation versions, etc).

A clarification: Though the ADN Professional website is where the downloads
of major revisions of products ("upgrades") can be found, ADN Pro does not
provide the new license required to execute new major revisions; that
license is only available through purchase of an ARTU or a Perpetual
license. ADN Pro is just the delivery mechanism for electronic-only
products. Visit the link above to learn more about ADN Pro.

---

- "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?"

For the price of the E2120AD (the upgrade from VEE 6.0/6.01 to VEE 6.1) you
will get both the 6.1 upgrade and 6 months of ADN Professional. This of
course includes access to any minor updates of VEE we publish during that
period--I can't guarantee an update during that time, but there may be
one--tech support, and access to all the other ADN Pro stuff.

If you like ADN Pro and want to continue after the 6 months are done, you'll
need to buy a year's subscription (W1150A $495), or buy a VEE ARTU (E2120AL
$895) and get it that way. In either case, E2120AD will provide you with a
perpetual license to run 6.1, whether you continue with ADN Pro or not.

This new product definition for E2120AD will apply to all buyers, not just
vrf members. 6 months ADN Pro will automatically be credited if you have
already purchased E2120AD, and you'll get information on how to register for
ADN Pro.

Our price list doesn't yet include the ADN membership with E2120AD, and the
Contact Center people can't yet answer questions about it. We wanted to
announce it first to the vrf. We'll post in the vrf when we're ready to
implement the program. Should take a few weeks. Your ADN Pro subscription
will only start when you set it up on the web, and will run for 6 months
after that. You will be required to register for ADN Professional before
Nov 1, 2002 to take advantage of the six months ADN Pro membership.

This opportunity to get 6 months ADN Pro with E2120AD will terminate after
Oct 31, 2002. The ADN Pro memberships themselves will expire 6 months after
you sign up on the Web.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Nicole Dierksheide
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax
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Hello vrf-ers.

We have not been ignoring the recent traffic on the vrf about VEE 6.01 to
6.1 upgrades, and VEE 6.03. We wanted to understand what you are faced with
and how we can make a reasonable response to the group before responding.
We've talked to some of you whom we felt were representative of the vrf with
respect to the upgrade issues, because we can't possibly talk to all of you
individually.

We will discuss the Licensing issues later, but for now, we need to get the
upgrade topic addressed.

I'm going to cover a number of areas in order to explain what you need to
know in order to evaluate the final part, which is "What is Agilent going to
_do_ for us?". I apologize for the length of this posting, but lack of
information and misinformation are large components of the current
situation.

We believe your primary concerns to be the following:

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

- defect fixes should be free anyway

- Agilent has done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

For now, please allow me to restrict the response to the above, and not
respond to the licensing/LAN card discussion that's filling my email-box. I
promise to respond to that topic in the near future, but the stated focus
for this email is already complex enough. I'm sure there are other concerns
that I won't address in this response. Please hold off on them for a while
too, till we can get this one resolved.

Let me respond to the concerns in the order that I believe makes it easiest
to understand.

- we have done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

Not trying to hide anything at all. As insiders who live and breathe it, and
talk VEE 6.1 every day, we just didn't realize it wouldn't be immediately
obvious to web visitors that 6.1 is new and replaces 6.01. By the way, 6.1
is indeed the "VEE-NR" that I mentioned on the vrf back in Dec and again in
Jan/Feb.

I posted a part number and pricing clarification for VEE 6.1 a few days ago
on the vrf, in case you're not familiar with the pricing details and options
for the new product.

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

6.03 was purpose-built as a limited-release, temporary revision. The
purposes were:

 - T&M Toolkit for .NET needed some Automation Server functionality
 not found in 6.01. We initiated 6.03 primarily to provide that
 functionality to T&M Toolkit beta testers.

 - because we were already modifying the VEE source and would have
 to do QA anyway, we decided to fix some of the highest weight
 defects, particularly those which we knew specific customers
 were experiencing show-stopper problems. In addition, R&D chose
 to fix some other defects. We intended a limited distribution of
 6.03 to only the specific customers experiencing the show-stopper
 problems; later some other customers also experiencing
show-stopper
 problems received the 6.03 patch. We warned these recipients of
 6.03 that it was an unsupported revision that would need to be
 replaced when 6.1 became available, as we could not afford to
 support 6.03 long-term.

By the way, 6.03 was actually released only as a patch that would update
copies of 6.01. As far as I know, it was never provided as a complete VEE
executable. So when I say "6.03" I mean the patch or VEE 6.01 updated by the
patch to 6.03 as appropriate.

To distribute 6.03 for bugfix purposes, we decided to place it on the ftp
server that the vrf discovered. We gave the appropriate URL to the customers
we had been in contact with, and hoped no one else would find it.

In this day of extensive web search engines like Google, this "security by
obscurity" was a mistake.

A final major piece of information: 6.03 is significantly less capable than
6.1. It includes only the Toolkit functionality and some defect fixes. It
does not include Windows XP support, MATLAB 6.1 integration and support, and
a lot of the defect fixes found in 6.1. As a matter of fact, the VEE R&D
team acquired the services of one of our best ActiveX R&D experts not long
after 6.03 was wrapped up, and she fixed a lot of the known ActiveX defects,
plus generally cleaning up the ActiveX handling in VEE. I think 6.1 has a
lot of value over 6.03.

We are going to remove the 6.03 patches from the ftp site because we have
decided to make them a supported part of T&M Toolkit for .NET product. The
patches and a Readme will appear on the T&M Toolkit CD and in the download
from ADN. They are intended for use by T&M Toolkit programmers who want to
use their VEE code from .NET. For users for whom VEE is vital, like those on
the vrf, we recommend upgrading to VEE 6.1 because it is more complete than
6.03.

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

In retrospect, we agree that there is not as much value as users would
expect in the new revision. We agree we need to provide more value for this
price. Please read on.

- defect fixes should be free anyway

I'd like to put aside this rather highly charged topic until we get to the
changes we are making to increase the value of the update.

----

I'll ask you to bear with me in this section, because I am going to describe
a brand-new product--the Agilent Developer Network (ADN)--as I believe it is
not well understood by most VEE customers. Yet when we have explained it to
these customers, they have agreed it could be quite valuable to them. It's
worth reading about ADN because it is what we are going to add to E2120AD.

ADN provides real value to VEE and instrument users (note that some of the
content is available for free, no purchase needed, and some requires buying
ADN Professional, at $495/year):

 - access to documents written by experts. This is the distilled
expertise of the Agilent support and R&D communities, especially those who
use VEE and I/O. Code snippets, tech notes, extended tech discussions, white
papers, app notes. Think of this as self-help material. Note that it is a
bit sparse right now, but we are continually adding content. I have
contributed or edited a lot of material that is now on the ADN website or is
"in the pipeline" and should appear soon.

 - tech support. ADN Pro allows you to submit a technical (or
non-tech, if you wish) support question and get an answer from us. You can
do it by email, if you're tired of being passed around on the phone! It is
the mechanism by which we provide the full support included in E2120AL, the
VEE 6.1 Annual Right To Use, for example. If the questions are deep enough,
they come back to Nicole and me, and we can take them to the VEE or Toolkit
R&D teams when necessary.

 - access to the latest product updates, instrument drivers, IO
Libraries, instrument and software manuals, etc. All nicely organized and
easy to get at. At last you can stop searching the Agilent general site
trying to find a programming manual for an E34401, or whatever. There's also
a program that examines your system and advises you what is out-of-date,
e.g. I/O Libraries K.01.00, and gives you an option to download any updates.

 - community. Discussion forums, a place to post apps or snippets you
want to share, and a place to post your story about how you designed an
application or test system, etc. Submit a bug report to us from the free ADN
Basic area. We plan to put the vrf into ADN Basic, as well. Don't panic, we
won't charge for it; it will stay free for all users. Nicole will send a vrf
message asking about your need for email access to vrf, since ADN is
web-centric; this is your chance to make your needs known to us, so please
respond to her.

ADN Basic, the free version, requires you to register and provide some basic
info about yourself on the Web (we follow the Agilent Privacy Policy), and
provides some pretty good self-help stuff, though not software updates or
Agilent tech support. You can try it, if you like, at <
www.agilent.com/find/adn >.

ADN Professional, W1150A, $495/year, provides more content in most of the
above areas, plus access to minor product updates for VEE and T&M Toolkit
for .NET, Tech Support, and regularly shipped CDs with much of the content
of the ADN Pro website on them (popular drivers, IO Libraries, white papers,
demos and evaluation versions, etc).

A clarification: Though the ADN Professional website is where the downloads
of major revisions of products ("upgrades") can be found, ADN Pro does not
provide the new license required to execute new major revisions; that
license is only available through purchase of an ARTU or a Perpetual
license. ADN Pro is just the delivery mechanism for electronic-only
products. Visit the link above to learn more about ADN Pro.

---

- "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?"

For the price of the E2120AD (the upgrade from VEE 6.0/6.01 to VEE 6.1) you
will get both the 6.1 upgrade and 6 months of ADN Professional. This of
course includes access to any minor updates of VEE we publish during that
period--I can't guarantee an update during that time, but there may be
one--tech support, and access to all the other ADN Pro stuff.

If you like ADN Pro and want to continue after the 6 months are done, you'll
need to buy a year's subscription (W1150A $495), or buy a VEE ARTU (E2120AL
$895) and get it that way. In either case, E2120AD will provide you with a
perpetual license to run 6.1, whether you continue with ADN Pro or not.

This new product definition for E2120AD will apply to all buyers, not just
vrf members. 6 months ADN Pro will automatically be credited if you have
already purchased E2120AD, and you'll get information on how to register for
ADN Pro.

Our price list doesn't yet include the ADN membership with E2120AD, and the
Contact Center people can't yet answer questions about it. We wanted to
announce it first to the vrf. We'll post in the vrf when we're ready to
implement the program. Should take a few weeks. Your ADN Pro subscription
will only start when you set it up on the web, and will run for 6 months
after that. You will be required to register for ADN Professional before
Nov 1, 2002 to take advantage of the six months ADN Pro membership.

This opportunity to get 6 months ADN Pro with E2120AD will terminate after
Oct 31, 2002. The ADN Pro memberships themselves will expire 6 months after
you sign up on the Web.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Nicole Dierksheide
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax
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VRFuser Jun 7, 2002 4:40 PM
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Scott,

Not sure where your pricing numbers came from, but your web site says:

 VEE Pro for Windows ARTU (E2120AL) . . . . . . . . $680.00
(Which, for clarification, includes 1 year of ADN Professional.)

and...

 One-time upgrade from VEE Pro 6.0. (E2120AD) . . . . $300.00
(Which includes a 1 time, 6 month free subscription to ADN Professional.)

I think your prices were somewhat higher. (Canadian dollars maybe)

Mike Groves
Cree Microwave

-----Original Message-----
From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:58 PM
To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello vrf-ers.

We have not been ignoring the recent traffic on the vrf about VEE 6.01 to
6.1 upgrades, and VEE 6.03. We wanted to understand what you are faced with
and how we can make a reasonable response to the group before responding.
We've talked to some of you whom we felt were representative of the vrf with
respect to the upgrade issues, because we can't possibly talk to all of you
individually.

We will discuss the Licensing issues later, but for now, we need to get the
upgrade topic addressed.

I'm going to cover a number of areas in order to explain what you need to
know in order to evaluate the final part, which is "What is Agilent going to
_do_ for us?". I apologize for the length of this posting, but lack of
information and misinformation are large components of the current
situation.

We believe your primary concerns to be the following:

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

- defect fixes should be free anyway

- Agilent has done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

For now, please allow me to restrict the response to the above, and not
respond to the licensing/LAN card discussion that's filling my email-box. I
promise to respond to that topic in the near future, but the stated focus
for this email is already complex enough. I'm sure there are other concerns
that I won't address in this response. Please hold off on them for a while
too, till we can get this one resolved.

Let me respond to the concerns in the order that I believe makes it easiest
to understand.

- we have done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

Not trying to hide anything at all. As insiders who live and breathe it, and
talk VEE 6.1 every day, we just didn't realize it wouldn't be immediately
obvious to web visitors that 6.1 is new and replaces 6.01. By the way, 6.1
is indeed the "VEE-NR" that I mentioned on the vrf back in Dec and again in
Jan/Feb.

I posted a part number and pricing clarification for VEE 6.1 a few days ago
on the vrf, in case you're not familiar with the pricing details and options
for the new product.

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

6.03 was purpose-built as a limited-release, temporary revision. The
purposes were:

 - T&M Toolkit for .NET needed some Automation Server functionality
 not found in 6.01. We initiated 6.03 primarily to provide that
 functionality to T&M Toolkit beta testers.

 - because we were already modifying the VEE source and would have
 to do QA anyway, we decided to fix some of the highest weight
 defects, particularly those which we knew specific customers
 were experiencing show-stopper problems. In addition, R&D chose
 to fix some other defects. We intended a limited distribution of
 6.03 to only the specific customers experiencing the show-stopper
 problems; later some other customers also experiencing
show-stopper
 problems received the 6.03 patch. We warned these recipients of
 6.03 that it was an unsupported revision that would need to be
 replaced when 6.1 became available, as we could not afford to
 support 6.03 long-term.

By the way, 6.03 was actually released only as a patch that would update
copies of 6.01. As far as I know, it was never provided as a complete VEE
executable. So when I say "6.03" I mean the patch or VEE 6.01 updated by the
patch to 6.03 as appropriate.

To distribute 6.03 for bugfix purposes, we decided to place it on the ftp
server that the vrf discovered. We gave the appropriate URL to the customers
we had been in contact with, and hoped no one else would find it.

In this day of extensive web search engines like Google, this "security by
obscurity" was a mistake.

A final major piece of information: 6.03 is significantly less capable than
6.1. It includes only the Toolkit functionality and some defect fixes. It
does not include Windows XP support, MATLAB 6.1 integration and support, and
a lot of the defect fixes found in 6.1. As a matter of fact, the VEE R&D
team acquired the services of one of our best ActiveX R&D experts not long
after 6.03 was wrapped up, and she fixed a lot of the known ActiveX defects,
plus generally cleaning up the ActiveX handling in VEE. I think 6.1 has a
lot of value over 6.03.

We are going to remove the 6.03 patches from the ftp site because we have
decided to make them a supported part of T&M Toolkit for .NET product. The
patches and a Readme will appear on the T&M Toolkit CD and in the download
from ADN. They are intended for use by T&M Toolkit programmers who want to
use their VEE code from .NET. For users for whom VEE is vital, like those on
the vrf, we recommend upgrading to VEE 6.1 because it is more complete than
6.03.

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

In retrospect, we agree that there is not as much value as users would
expect in the new revision. We agree we need to provide more value for this
price. Please read on.

- defect fixes should be free anyway

I'd like to put aside this rather highly charged topic until we get to the
changes we are making to increase the value of the update.

----

I'll ask you to bear with me in this section, because I am going to describe
a brand-new product--the Agilent Developer Network (ADN)--as I believe it is
not well understood by most VEE customers. Yet when we have explained it to
these customers, they have agreed it could be quite valuable to them. It's
worth reading about ADN because it is what we are going to add to E2120AD.

ADN provides real value to VEE and instrument users (note that some of the
content is available for free, no purchase needed, and some requires buying
ADN Professional, at $495/year):

 - access to documents written by experts. This is the distilled
expertise of the Agilent support and R&D communities, especially those who
use VEE and I/O. Code snippets, tech notes, extended tech discussions, white
papers, app notes. Think of this as self-help material. Note that it is a
bit sparse right now, but we are continually adding content. I have
contributed or edited a lot of material that is now on the ADN website or is
"in the pipeline" and should appear soon.

 - tech support. ADN Pro allows you to submit a technical (or
non-tech, if you wish) support question and get an answer from us. You can
do it by email, if you're tired of being passed around on the phone! It is
the mechanism by which we provide the full support included in E2120AL, the
VEE 6.1 Annual Right To Use, for example. If the questions are deep enough,
they come back to Nicole and me, and we can take them to the VEE or Toolkit
R&D teams when necessary.

 - access to the latest product updates, instrument drivers, IO
Libraries, instrument and software manuals, etc. All nicely organized and
easy to get at. At last you can stop searching the Agilent general site
trying to find a programming manual for an E34401, or whatever. There's also
a program that examines your system and advises you what is out-of-date,
e.g. I/O Libraries K.01.00, and gives you an option to download any updates.

 - community. Discussion forums, a place to post apps or snippets you
want to share, and a place to post your story about how you designed an
application or test system, etc. Submit a bug report to us from the free ADN
Basic area. We plan to put the vrf into ADN Basic, as well. Don't panic, we
won't charge for it; it will stay free for all users. Nicole will send a vrf
message asking about your need for email access to vrf, since ADN is
web-centric; this is your chance to make your needs known to us, so please
respond to her.

ADN Basic, the free version, requires you to register and provide some basic
info about yourself on the Web (we follow the Agilent Privacy Policy), and
provides some pretty good self-help stuff, though not software updates or
Agilent tech support. You can try it, if you like, at <
www.agilent.com/find/adn >.

ADN Professional, W1150A, $495/year, provides more content in most of the
above areas, plus access to minor product updates for VEE and T&M Toolkit
for .NET, Tech Support, and regularly shipped CDs with much of the content
of the ADN Pro website on them (popular drivers, IO Libraries, white papers,
demos and evaluation versions, etc).

A clarification: Though the ADN Professional website is where the downloads
of major revisions of products ("upgrades") can be found, ADN Pro does not
provide the new license required to execute new major revisions; that
license is only available through purchase of an ARTU or a Perpetual
license. ADN Pro is just the delivery mechanism for electronic-only
products. Visit the link above to learn more about ADN Pro.

---

- "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?"

For the price of the E2120AD (the upgrade from VEE 6.0/6.01 to VEE 6.1) you
will get both the 6.1 upgrade and 6 months of ADN Professional. This of
course includes access to any minor updates of VEE we publish during that
period--I can't guarantee an update during that time, but there may be
one--tech support, and access to all the other ADN Pro stuff.

If you like ADN Pro and want to continue after the 6 months are done, you'll
need to buy a year's subscription (W1150A $495), or buy a VEE ARTU (E2120AL
$895) and get it that way. In either case, E2120AD will provide you with a
perpetual license to run 6.1, whether you continue with ADN Pro or not.

This new product definition for E2120AD will apply to all buyers, not just
vrf members. 6 months ADN Pro will automatically be credited if you have
already purchased E2120AD, and you'll get information on how to register for
ADN Pro.

Our price list doesn't yet include the ADN membership with E2120AD, and the
Contact Center people can't yet answer questions about it. We wanted to
announce it first to the vrf. We'll post in the vrf when we're ready to
implement the program. Should take a few weeks. Your ADN Pro subscription
will only start when you set it up on the web, and will run for 6 months
after that. You will be required to register for ADN Professional before
Nov 1, 2002 to take advantage of the six months ADN Pro membership.

This opportunity to get 6 months ADN Pro with E2120AD will terminate after
Oct 31, 2002. The ADN Pro memberships themselves will expire 6 months after
you sign up on the Web.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Nicole Dierksheide
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax
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Scott,

Not sure where your pricing numbers came from, but your web site says:

 VEE Pro for Windows ARTU (E2120AL) . . . . . . . . $680.00
(Which, for clarification, includes 1 year of ADN Professional.)

and...

 One-time upgrade from VEE Pro 6.0. (E2120AD) . . . . $300.00
(Which includes a 1 time, 6 month free subscription to ADN Professional.)

I think your prices were somewhat higher. (Canadian dollars maybe)

Mike Groves
Cree Microwave

-----Original Message-----
From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:58 PM
To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello vrf-ers.

We have not been ignoring the recent traffic on the vrf about VEE 6.01 to
6.1 upgrades, and VEE 6.03. We wanted to understand what you are faced with
and how we can make a reasonable response to the group before responding.
We've talked to some of you whom we felt were representative of the vrf with
respect to the upgrade issues, because we can't possibly talk to all of you
individually.

We will discuss the Licensing issues later, but for now, we need to get the
upgrade topic addressed.

I'm going to cover a number of areas in order to explain what you need to
know in order to evaluate the final part, which is "What is Agilent going to
_do_ for us?". I apologize for the length of this posting, but lack of
information and misinformation are large components of the current
situation.

We believe your primary concerns to be the following:

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

- defect fixes should be free anyway

- Agilent has done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

For now, please allow me to restrict the response to the above, and not
respond to the licensing/LAN card discussion that's filling my email-box. I
promise to respond to that topic in the near future, but the stated focus
for this email is already complex enough. I'm sure there are other concerns
that I won't address in this response. Please hold off on them for a while
too, till we can get this one resolved.

Let me respond to the concerns in the order that I believe makes it easiest
to understand.

- we have done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

Not trying to hide anything at all. As insiders who live and breathe it, and
talk VEE 6.1 every day, we just didn't realize it wouldn't be immediately
obvious to web visitors that 6.1 is new and replaces 6.01. By the way, 6.1
is indeed the "VEE-NR" that I mentioned on the vrf back in Dec and again in
Jan/Feb.

I posted a part number and pricing clarification for VEE 6.1 a few days ago
on the vrf, in case you're not familiar with the pricing details and options
for the new product.

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

6.03 was purpose-built as a limited-release, temporary revision. The
purposes were:

 - T&M Toolkit for .NET needed some Automation Server functionality
 not found in 6.01. We initiated 6.03 primarily to provide that
 functionality to T&M Toolkit beta testers.

 - because we were already modifying the VEE source and would have
 to do QA anyway, we decided to fix some of the highest weight
 defects, particularly those which we knew specific customers
 were experiencing show-stopper problems. In addition, R&D chose
 to fix some other defects. We intended a limited distribution of
 6.03 to only the specific customers experiencing the show-stopper
 problems; later some other customers also experiencing
show-stopper
 problems received the 6.03 patch. We warned these recipients of
 6.03 that it was an unsupported revision that would need to be
 replaced when 6.1 became available, as we could not afford to
 support 6.03 long-term.

By the way, 6.03 was actually released only as a patch that would update
copies of 6.01. As far as I know, it was never provided as a complete VEE
executable. So when I say "6.03" I mean the patch or VEE 6.01 updated by the
patch to 6.03 as appropriate.

To distribute 6.03 for bugfix purposes, we decided to place it on the ftp
server that the vrf discovered. We gave the appropriate URL to the customers
we had been in contact with, and hoped no one else would find it.

In this day of extensive web search engines like Google, this "security by
obscurity" was a mistake.

A final major piece of information: 6.03 is significantly less capable than
6.1. It includes only the Toolkit functionality and some defect fixes. It
does not include Windows XP support, MATLAB 6.1 integration and support, and
a lot of the defect fixes found in 6.1. As a matter of fact, the VEE R&D
team acquired the services of one of our best ActiveX R&D experts not long
after 6.03 was wrapped up, and she fixed a lot of the known ActiveX defects,
plus generally cleaning up the ActiveX handling in VEE. I think 6.1 has a
lot of value over 6.03.

We are going to remove the 6.03 patches from the ftp site because we have
decided to make them a supported part of T&M Toolkit for .NET product. The
patches and a Readme will appear on the T&M Toolkit CD and in the download
from ADN. They are intended for use by T&M Toolkit programmers who want to
use their VEE code from .NET. For users for whom VEE is vital, like those on
the vrf, we recommend upgrading to VEE 6.1 because it is more complete than
6.03.

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

In retrospect, we agree that there is not as much value as users would
expect in the new revision. We agree we need to provide more value for this
price. Please read on.

- defect fixes should be free anyway

I'd like to put aside this rather highly charged topic until we get to the
changes we are making to increase the value of the update.

----

I'll ask you to bear with me in this section, because I am going to describe
a brand-new product--the Agilent Developer Network (ADN)--as I believe it is
not well understood by most VEE customers. Yet when we have explained it to
these customers, they have agreed it could be quite valuable to them. It's
worth reading about ADN because it is what we are going to add to E2120AD.

ADN provides real value to VEE and instrument users (note that some of the
content is available for free, no purchase needed, and some requires buying
ADN Professional, at $495/year):

 - access to documents written by experts. This is the distilled
expertise of the Agilent support and R&D communities, especially those who
use VEE and I/O. Code snippets, tech notes, extended tech discussions, white
papers, app notes. Think of this as self-help material. Note that it is a
bit sparse right now, but we are continually adding content. I have
contributed or edited a lot of material that is now on the ADN website or is
"in the pipeline" and should appear soon.

 - tech support. ADN Pro allows you to submit a technical (or
non-tech, if you wish) support question and get an answer from us. You can
do it by email, if you're tired of being passed around on the phone! It is
the mechanism by which we provide the full support included in E2120AL, the
VEE 6.1 Annual Right To Use, for example. If the questions are deep enough,
they come back to Nicole and me, and we can take them to the VEE or Toolkit
R&D teams when necessary.

 - access to the latest product updates, instrument drivers, IO
Libraries, instrument and software manuals, etc. All nicely organized and
easy to get at. At last you can stop searching the Agilent general site
trying to find a programming manual for an E34401, or whatever. There's also
a program that examines your system and advises you what is out-of-date,
e.g. I/O Libraries K.01.00, and gives you an option to download any updates.

 - community. Discussion forums, a place to post apps or snippets you
want to share, and a place to post your story about how you designed an
application or test system, etc. Submit a bug report to us from the free ADN
Basic area. We plan to put the vrf into ADN Basic, as well. Don't panic, we
won't charge for it; it will stay free for all users. Nicole will send a vrf
message asking about your need for email access to vrf, since ADN is
web-centric; this is your chance to make your needs known to us, so please
respond to her.

ADN Basic, the free version, requires you to register and provide some basic
info about yourself on the Web (we follow the Agilent Privacy Policy), and
provides some pretty good self-help stuff, though not software updates or
Agilent tech support. You can try it, if you like, at <
www.agilent.com/find/adn >.

ADN Professional, W1150A, $495/year, provides more content in most of the
above areas, plus access to minor product updates for VEE and T&M Toolkit
for .NET, Tech Support, and regularly shipped CDs with much of the content
of the ADN Pro website on them (popular drivers, IO Libraries, white papers,
demos and evaluation versions, etc).

A clarification: Though the ADN Professional website is where the downloads
of major revisions of products ("upgrades") can be found, ADN Pro does not
provide the new license required to execute new major revisions; that
license is only available through purchase of an ARTU or a Perpetual
license. ADN Pro is just the delivery mechanism for electronic-only
products. Visit the link above to learn more about ADN Pro.

---

- "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?"

For the price of the E2120AD (the upgrade from VEE 6.0/6.01 to VEE 6.1) you
will get both the 6.1 upgrade and 6 months of ADN Professional. This of
course includes access to any minor updates of VEE we publish during that
period--I can't guarantee an update during that time, but there may be
one--tech support, and access to all the other ADN Pro stuff.

If you like ADN Pro and want to continue after the 6 months are done, you'll
need to buy a year's subscription (W1150A $495), or buy a VEE ARTU (E2120AL
$895) and get it that way. In either case, E2120AD will provide you with a
perpetual license to run 6.1, whether you continue with ADN Pro or not.

This new product definition for E2120AD will apply to all buyers, not just
vrf members. 6 months ADN Pro will automatically be credited if you have
already purchased E2120AD, and you'll get information on how to register for
ADN Pro.

Our price list doesn't yet include the ADN membership with E2120AD, and the
Contact Center people can't yet answer questions about it. We wanted to
announce it first to the vrf. We'll post in the vrf when we're ready to
implement the program. Should take a few weeks. Your ADN Pro subscription
will only start when you set it up on the web, and will run for 6 months
after that. You will be required to register for ADN Professional before
Nov 1, 2002 to take advantage of the six months ADN Pro membership.

This opportunity to get 6 months ADN Pro with E2120AD will terminate after
Oct 31, 2002. The ADN Pro memberships themselves will expire 6 months after
you sign up on the Web.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Nicole Dierksheide
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax
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VRFuser Jun 7, 2002 4:49 PM
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Great catch Mike! Our list price is what Scott included in this e-mail.
The prices you have included are on our ADN Software Store, which are
running at a discount right now.

Regards,
Nicole

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Groves [mailto:Mike_Groves@cree.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:41 PM
To: 'BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)'; VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Scott,

Not sure where your pricing numbers came from, but your web site says:

 VEE Pro for Windows ARTU (E2120AL) . . . . . . . . $680.00
(Which, for clarification, includes 1 year of ADN Professional.)

and...

 One-time upgrade from VEE Pro 6.0. (E2120AD) . . . . $300.00
(Which includes a 1 time, 6 month free subscription to ADN Professional.)

I think your prices were somewhat higher. (Canadian dollars maybe)

Mike Groves
Cree Microwave

-----Original Message-----
From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:58 PM
To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello vrf-ers.

We have not been ignoring the recent traffic on the vrf about VEE 6.01 to
6.1 upgrades, and VEE 6.03. We wanted to understand what you are faced with
and how we can make a reasonable response to the group before responding.
We've talked to some of you whom we felt were representative of the vrf with
respect to the upgrade issues, because we can't possibly talk to all of you
individually.

We will discuss the Licensing issues later, but for now, we need to get the
upgrade topic addressed.

I'm going to cover a number of areas in order to explain what you need to
know in order to evaluate the final part, which is "What is Agilent going to
_do_ for us?". I apologize for the length of this posting, but lack of
information and misinformation are large components of the current
situation.

We believe your primary concerns to be the following:

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

- defect fixes should be free anyway

- Agilent has done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

For now, please allow me to restrict the response to the above, and not
respond to the licensing/LAN card discussion that's filling my email-box. I
promise to respond to that topic in the near future, but the stated focus
for this email is already complex enough. I'm sure there are other concerns
that I won't address in this response. Please hold off on them for a while
too, till we can get this one resolved.

Let me respond to the concerns in the order that I believe makes it easiest
to understand.

- we have done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

Not trying to hide anything at all. As insiders who live and breathe it, and
talk VEE 6.1 every day, we just didn't realize it wouldn't be immediately
obvious to web visitors that 6.1 is new and replaces 6.01. By the way, 6.1
is indeed the "VEE-NR" that I mentioned on the vrf back in Dec and again in
Jan/Feb.

I posted a part number and pricing clarification for VEE 6.1 a few days ago
on the vrf, in case you're not familiar with the pricing details and options
for the new product.

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

6.03 was purpose-built as a limited-release, temporary revision. The
purposes were:

 - T&M Toolkit for .NET needed some Automation Server functionality
 not found in 6.01. We initiated 6.03 primarily to provide that
 functionality to T&M Toolkit beta testers.

 - because we were already modifying the VEE source and would have
 to do QA anyway, we decided to fix some of the highest weight
 defects, particularly those which we knew specific customers
 were experiencing show-stopper problems. In addition, R&D chose
 to fix some other defects. We intended a limited distribution of
 6.03 to only the specific customers experiencing the show-stopper
 problems; later some other customers also experiencing
show-stopper
 problems received the 6.03 patch. We warned these recipients of
 6.03 that it was an unsupported revision that would need to be
 replaced when 6.1 became available, as we could not afford to
 support 6.03 long-term.

By the way, 6.03 was actually released only as a patch that would update
copies of 6.01. As far as I know, it was never provided as a complete VEE
executable. So when I say "6.03" I mean the patch or VEE 6.01 updated by the
patch to 6.03 as appropriate.

To distribute 6.03 for bugfix purposes, we decided to place it on the ftp
server that the vrf discovered. We gave the appropriate URL to the customers
we had been in contact with, and hoped no one else would find it.

In this day of extensive web search engines like Google, this "security by
obscurity" was a mistake.

A final major piece of information: 6.03 is significantly less capable than
6.1. It includes only the Toolkit functionality and some defect fixes. It
does not include Windows XP support, MATLAB 6.1 integration and support, and
a lot of the defect fixes found in 6.1. As a matter of fact, the VEE R&D
team acquired the services of one of our best ActiveX R&D experts not long
after 6.03 was wrapped up, and she fixed a lot of the known ActiveX defects,
plus generally cleaning up the ActiveX handling in VEE. I think 6.1 has a
lot of value over 6.03.

We are going to remove the 6.03 patches from the ftp site because we have
decided to make them a supported part of T&M Toolkit for .NET product. The
patches and a Readme will appear on the T&M Toolkit CD and in the download
from ADN. They are intended for use by T&M Toolkit programmers who want to
use their VEE code from .NET. For users for whom VEE is vital, like those on
the vrf, we recommend upgrading to VEE 6.1 because it is more complete than
6.03.

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

In retrospect, we agree that there is not as much value as users would
expect in the new revision. We agree we need to provide more value for this
price. Please read on.

- defect fixes should be free anyway

I'd like to put aside this rather highly charged topic until we get to the
changes we are making to increase the value of the update.

----

I'll ask you to bear with me in this section, because I am going to describe
a brand-new product--the Agilent Developer Network (ADN)--as I believe it is
not well understood by most VEE customers. Yet when we have explained it to
these customers, they have agreed it could be quite valuable to them. It's
worth reading about ADN because it is what we are going to add to E2120AD.

ADN provides real value to VEE and instrument users (note that some of the
content is available for free, no purchase needed, and some requires buying
ADN Professional, at $495/year):

 - access to documents written by experts. This is the distilled
expertise of the Agilent support and R&D communities, especially those who
use VEE and I/O. Code snippets, tech notes, extended tech discussions, white
papers, app notes. Think of this as self-help material. Note that it is a
bit sparse right now, but we are continually adding content. I have
contributed or edited a lot of material that is now on the ADN website or is
"in the pipeline" and should appear soon.

 - tech support. ADN Pro allows you to submit a technical (or
non-tech, if you wish) support question and get an answer from us. You can
do it by email, if you're tired of being passed around on the phone! It is
the mechanism by which we provide the full support included in E2120AL, the
VEE 6.1 Annual Right To Use, for example. If the questions are deep enough,
they come back to Nicole and me, and we can take them to the VEE or Toolkit
R&D teams when necessary.

 - access to the latest product updates, instrument drivers, IO
Libraries, instrument and software manuals, etc. All nicely organized and
easy to get at. At last you can stop searching the Agilent general site
trying to find a programming manual for an E34401, or whatever. There's also
a program that examines your system and advises you what is out-of-date,
e.g. I/O Libraries K.01.00, and gives you an option to download any updates.

 - community. Discussion forums, a place to post apps or snippets you
want to share, and a place to post your story about how you designed an
application or test system, etc. Submit a bug report to us from the free ADN
Basic area. We plan to put the vrf into ADN Basic, as well. Don't panic, we
won't charge for it; it will stay free for all users. Nicole will send a vrf
message asking about your need for email access to vrf, since ADN is
web-centric; this is your chance to make your needs known to us, so please
respond to her.

ADN Basic, the free version, requires you to register and provide some basic
info about yourself on the Web (we follow the Agilent Privacy Policy), and
provides some pretty good self-help stuff, though not software updates or
Agilent tech support. You can try it, if you like, at <
www.agilent.com/find/adn >.

ADN Professional, W1150A, $495/year, provides more content in most of the
above areas, plus access to minor product updates for VEE and T&M Toolkit
for .NET, Tech Support, and regularly shipped CDs with much of the content
of the ADN Pro website on them (popular drivers, IO Libraries, white papers,
demos and evaluation versions, etc).

A clarification: Though the ADN Professional website is where the downloads
of major revisions of products ("upgrades") can be found, ADN Pro does not
provide the new license required to execute new major revisions; that
license is only available through purchase of an ARTU or a Perpetual
license. ADN Pro is just the delivery mechanism for electronic-only
products. Visit the link above to learn more about ADN Pro.

---

- "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?"

For the price of the E2120AD (the upgrade from VEE 6.0/6.01 to VEE 6.1) you
will get both the 6.1 upgrade and 6 months of ADN Professional. This of
course includes access to any minor updates of VEE we publish during that
period--I can't guarantee an update during that time, but there may be
one--tech support, and access to all the other ADN Pro stuff.

If you like ADN Pro and want to continue after the 6 months are done, you'll
need to buy a year's subscription (W1150A $495), or buy a VEE ARTU (E2120AL
$895) and get it that way. In either case, E2120AD will provide you with a
perpetual license to run 6.1, whether you continue with ADN Pro or not.

This new product definition for E2120AD will apply to all buyers, not just
vrf members. 6 months ADN Pro will automatically be credited if you have
already purchased E2120AD, and you'll get information on how to register for
ADN Pro.

Our price list doesn't yet include the ADN membership with E2120AD, and the
Contact Center people can't yet answer questions about it. We wanted to
announce it first to the vrf. We'll post in the vrf when we're ready to
implement the program. Should take a few weeks. Your ADN Pro subscription
will only start when you set it up on the web, and will run for 6 months
after that. You will be required to register for ADN Professional before
Nov 1, 2002 to take advantage of the six months ADN Pro membership.

This opportunity to get 6 months ADN Pro with E2120AD will terminate after
Oct 31, 2002. The ADN Pro memberships themselves will expire 6 months after
you sign up on the Web.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Nicole Dierksheide
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax
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VRFuser Jun 7, 2002 4:49 PM
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Great catch Mike! Our list price is what Scott included in this e-mail.
The prices you have included are on our ADN Software Store, which are
running at a discount right now.

Regards,
Nicole

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Groves [mailto:Mike_Groves@cree.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:41 PM
To: 'BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)'; VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Scott,

Not sure where your pricing numbers came from, but your web site says:

 VEE Pro for Windows ARTU (E2120AL) . . . . . . . . $680.00
(Which, for clarification, includes 1 year of ADN Professional.)

and...

 One-time upgrade from VEE Pro 6.0. (E2120AD) . . . . $300.00
(Which includes a 1 time, 6 month free subscription to ADN Professional.)

I think your prices were somewhat higher. (Canadian dollars maybe)

Mike Groves
Cree Microwave

-----Original Message-----
From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:58 PM
To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello vrf-ers.

We have not been ignoring the recent traffic on the vrf about VEE 6.01 to
6.1 upgrades, and VEE 6.03. We wanted to understand what you are faced with
and how we can make a reasonable response to the group before responding.
We've talked to some of you whom we felt were representative of the vrf with
respect to the upgrade issues, because we can't possibly talk to all of you
individually.

We will discuss the Licensing issues later, but for now, we need to get the
upgrade topic addressed.

I'm going to cover a number of areas in order to explain what you need to
know in order to evaluate the final part, which is "What is Agilent going to
_do_ for us?". I apologize for the length of this posting, but lack of
information and misinformation are large components of the current
situation.

We believe your primary concerns to be the following:

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

- defect fixes should be free anyway

- Agilent has done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

For now, please allow me to restrict the response to the above, and not
respond to the licensing/LAN card discussion that's filling my email-box. I
promise to respond to that topic in the near future, but the stated focus
for this email is already complex enough. I'm sure there are other concerns
that I won't address in this response. Please hold off on them for a while
too, till we can get this one resolved.

Let me respond to the concerns in the order that I believe makes it easiest
to understand.

- we have done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

Not trying to hide anything at all. As insiders who live and breathe it, and
talk VEE 6.1 every day, we just didn't realize it wouldn't be immediately
obvious to web visitors that 6.1 is new and replaces 6.01. By the way, 6.1
is indeed the "VEE-NR" that I mentioned on the vrf back in Dec and again in
Jan/Feb.

I posted a part number and pricing clarification for VEE 6.1 a few days ago
on the vrf, in case you're not familiar with the pricing details and options
for the new product.

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

6.03 was purpose-built as a limited-release, temporary revision. The
purposes were:

 - T&M Toolkit for .NET needed some Automation Server functionality
 not found in 6.01. We initiated 6.03 primarily to provide that
 functionality to T&M Toolkit beta testers.

 - because we were already modifying the VEE source and would have
 to do QA anyway, we decided to fix some of the highest weight
 defects, particularly those which we knew specific customers
 were experiencing show-stopper problems. In addition, R&D chose
 to fix some other defects. We intended a limited distribution of
 6.03 to only the specific customers experiencing the show-stopper
 problems; later some other customers also experiencing
show-stopper
 problems received the 6.03 patch. We warned these recipients of
 6.03 that it was an unsupported revision that would need to be
 replaced when 6.1 became available, as we could not afford to
 support 6.03 long-term.

By the way, 6.03 was actually released only as a patch that would update
copies of 6.01. As far as I know, it was never provided as a complete VEE
executable. So when I say "6.03" I mean the patch or VEE 6.01 updated by the
patch to 6.03 as appropriate.

To distribute 6.03 for bugfix purposes, we decided to place it on the ftp
server that the vrf discovered. We gave the appropriate URL to the customers
we had been in contact with, and hoped no one else would find it.

In this day of extensive web search engines like Google, this "security by
obscurity" was a mistake.

A final major piece of information: 6.03 is significantly less capable than
6.1. It includes only the Toolkit functionality and some defect fixes. It
does not include Windows XP support, MATLAB 6.1 integration and support, and
a lot of the defect fixes found in 6.1. As a matter of fact, the VEE R&D
team acquired the services of one of our best ActiveX R&D experts not long
after 6.03 was wrapped up, and she fixed a lot of the known ActiveX defects,
plus generally cleaning up the ActiveX handling in VEE. I think 6.1 has a
lot of value over 6.03.

We are going to remove the 6.03 patches from the ftp site because we have
decided to make them a supported part of T&M Toolkit for .NET product. The
patches and a Readme will appear on the T&M Toolkit CD and in the download
from ADN. They are intended for use by T&M Toolkit programmers who want to
use their VEE code from .NET. For users for whom VEE is vital, like those on
the vrf, we recommend upgrading to VEE 6.1 because it is more complete than
6.03.

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

In retrospect, we agree that there is not as much value as users would
expect in the new revision. We agree we need to provide more value for this
price. Please read on.

- defect fixes should be free anyway

I'd like to put aside this rather highly charged topic until we get to the
changes we are making to increase the value of the update.

----

I'll ask you to bear with me in this section, because I am going to describe
a brand-new product--the Agilent Developer Network (ADN)--as I believe it is
not well understood by most VEE customers. Yet when we have explained it to
these customers, they have agreed it could be quite valuable to them. It's
worth reading about ADN because it is what we are going to add to E2120AD.

ADN provides real value to VEE and instrument users (note that some of the
content is available for free, no purchase needed, and some requires buying
ADN Professional, at $495/year):

 - access to documents written by experts. This is the distilled
expertise of the Agilent support and R&D communities, especially those who
use VEE and I/O. Code snippets, tech notes, extended tech discussions, white
papers, app notes. Think of this as self-help material. Note that it is a
bit sparse right now, but we are continually adding content. I have
contributed or edited a lot of material that is now on the ADN website or is
"in the pipeline" and should appear soon.

 - tech support. ADN Pro allows you to submit a technical (or
non-tech, if you wish) support question and get an answer from us. You can
do it by email, if you're tired of being passed around on the phone! It is
the mechanism by which we provide the full support included in E2120AL, the
VEE 6.1 Annual Right To Use, for example. If the questions are deep enough,
they come back to Nicole and me, and we can take them to the VEE or Toolkit
R&D teams when necessary.

 - access to the latest product updates, instrument drivers, IO
Libraries, instrument and software manuals, etc. All nicely organized and
easy to get at. At last you can stop searching the Agilent general site
trying to find a programming manual for an E34401, or whatever. There's also
a program that examines your system and advises you what is out-of-date,
e.g. I/O Libraries K.01.00, and gives you an option to download any updates.

 - community. Discussion forums, a place to post apps or snippets you
want to share, and a place to post your story about how you designed an
application or test system, etc. Submit a bug report to us from the free ADN
Basic area. We plan to put the vrf into ADN Basic, as well. Don't panic, we
won't charge for it; it will stay free for all users. Nicole will send a vrf
message asking about your need for email access to vrf, since ADN is
web-centric; this is your chance to make your needs known to us, so please
respond to her.

ADN Basic, the free version, requires you to register and provide some basic
info about yourself on the Web (we follow the Agilent Privacy Policy), and
provides some pretty good self-help stuff, though not software updates or
Agilent tech support. You can try it, if you like, at <
www.agilent.com/find/adn >.

ADN Professional, W1150A, $495/year, provides more content in most of the
above areas, plus access to minor product updates for VEE and T&M Toolkit
for .NET, Tech Support, and regularly shipped CDs with much of the content
of the ADN Pro website on them (popular drivers, IO Libraries, white papers,
demos and evaluation versions, etc).

A clarification: Though the ADN Professional website is where the downloads
of major revisions of products ("upgrades") can be found, ADN Pro does not
provide the new license required to execute new major revisions; that
license is only available through purchase of an ARTU or a Perpetual
license. ADN Pro is just the delivery mechanism for electronic-only
products. Visit the link above to learn more about ADN Pro.

---

- "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?"

For the price of the E2120AD (the upgrade from VEE 6.0/6.01 to VEE 6.1) you
will get both the 6.1 upgrade and 6 months of ADN Professional. This of
course includes access to any minor updates of VEE we publish during that
period--I can't guarantee an update during that time, but there may be
one--tech support, and access to all the other ADN Pro stuff.

If you like ADN Pro and want to continue after the 6 months are done, you'll
need to buy a year's subscription (W1150A $495), or buy a VEE ARTU (E2120AL
$895) and get it that way. In either case, E2120AD will provide you with a
perpetual license to run 6.1, whether you continue with ADN Pro or not.

This new product definition for E2120AD will apply to all buyers, not just
vrf members. 6 months ADN Pro will automatically be credited if you have
already purchased E2120AD, and you'll get information on how to register for
ADN Pro.

Our price list doesn't yet include the ADN membership with E2120AD, and the
Contact Center people can't yet answer questions about it. We wanted to
announce it first to the vrf. We'll post in the vrf when we're ready to
implement the program. Should take a few weeks. Your ADN Pro subscription
will only start when you set it up on the web, and will run for 6 months
after that. You will be required to register for ADN Professional before
Nov 1, 2002 to take advantage of the six months ADN Pro membership.

This opportunity to get 6 months ADN Pro with E2120AD will terminate after
Oct 31, 2002. The ADN Pro memberships themselves will expire 6 months after
you sign up on the Web.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Nicole Dierksheide
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax
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VRFuser Jun 7, 2002 5:23 PM
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Nicole,

Well, that's good news AND bad. Nice that it's lower, but next year's
pricing will most likely be higher than I had originally thought. ;-(

Is there any way the VRF community can keep informed, say at least 60 days
in advance, before this discount pricing goes away? That would be a big
help.

Have a great weekend,
Mike Groves
Cree Microwave

-----Original Message-----
From: DIERKSHEIDE,NICOLE (A-Loveland,ex1)
[mailto:nicole_dierksheide@agilent.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:49 PM
To: 'Mike Groves'; BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1); VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Great catch Mike! Our list price is what Scott included in this e-mail.
The prices you have included are on our ADN Software Store, which are
running at a discount right now.

Regards,
Nicole

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Groves [mailto:Mike_Groves@cree.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:41 PM
To: 'BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)'; VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Scott,

Not sure where your pricing numbers came from, but your web site says:

 VEE Pro for Windows ARTU (E2120AL) . . . . . . . . $680.00
(Which, for clarification, includes 1 year of ADN Professional.)

and...

 One-time upgrade from VEE Pro 6.0. (E2120AD) . . . . $300.00
(Which includes a 1 time, 6 month free subscription to ADN Professional.)

I think your prices were somewhat higher. (Canadian dollars maybe)

Mike Groves
Cree Microwave

-----Original Message-----
From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:58 PM
To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello vrf-ers.

We have not been ignoring the recent traffic on the vrf about VEE 6.01 to
6.1 upgrades, and VEE 6.03. We wanted to understand what you are faced with
and how we can make a reasonable response to the group before responding.
We've talked to some of you whom we felt were representative of the vrf with
respect to the upgrade issues, because we can't possibly talk to all of you
individually.

We will discuss the Licensing issues later, but for now, we need to get the
upgrade topic addressed.

I'm going to cover a number of areas in order to explain what you need to
know in order to evaluate the final part, which is "What is Agilent going to
_do_ for us?". I apologize for the length of this posting, but lack of
information and misinformation are large components of the current
situation.

We believe your primary concerns to be the following:

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

- defect fixes should be free anyway

- Agilent has done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

For now, please allow me to restrict the response to the above, and not
respond to the licensing/LAN card discussion that's filling my email-box. I
promise to respond to that topic in the near future, but the stated focus
for this email is already complex enough. I'm sure there are other concerns
that I won't address in this response. Please hold off on them for a while
too, till we can get this one resolved.

Let me respond to the concerns in the order that I believe makes it easiest
to understand.

- we have done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

Not trying to hide anything at all. As insiders who live and breathe it, and
talk VEE 6.1 every day, we just didn't realize it wouldn't be immediately
obvious to web visitors that 6.1 is new and replaces 6.01. By the way, 6.1
is indeed the "VEE-NR" that I mentioned on the vrf back in Dec and again in
Jan/Feb.

I posted a part number and pricing clarification for VEE 6.1 a few days ago
on the vrf, in case you're not familiar with the pricing details and options
for the new product.

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

6.03 was purpose-built as a limited-release, temporary revision. The
purposes were:

 - T&M Toolkit for .NET needed some Automation Server functionality
 not found in 6.01. We initiated 6.03 primarily to provide that
 functionality to T&M Toolkit beta testers.

 - because we were already modifying the VEE source and would have
 to do QA anyway, we decided to fix some of the highest weight
 defects, particularly those which we knew specific customers
 were experiencing show-stopper problems. In addition, R&D chose
 to fix some other defects. We intended a limited distribution of
 6.03 to only the specific customers experiencing the show-stopper
 problems; later some other customers also experiencing
show-stopper
 problems received the 6.03 patch. We warned these recipients of
 6.03 that it was an unsupported revision that would need to be
 replaced when 6.1 became available, as we could not afford to
 support 6.03 long-term.

By the way, 6.03 was actually released only as a patch that would update
copies of 6.01. As far as I know, it was never provided as a complete VEE
executable. So when I say "6.03" I mean the patch or VEE 6.01 updated by the
patch to 6.03 as appropriate.

To distribute 6.03 for bugfix purposes, we decided to place it on the ftp
server that the vrf discovered. We gave the appropriate URL to the customers
we had been in contact with, and hoped no one else would find it.

In this day of extensive web search engines like Google, this "security by
obscurity" was a mistake.

A final major piece of information: 6.03 is significantly less capable than
6.1. It includes only the Toolkit functionality and some defect fixes. It
does not include Windows XP support, MATLAB 6.1 integration and support, and
a lot of the defect fixes found in 6.1. As a matter of fact, the VEE R&D
team acquired the services of one of our best ActiveX R&D experts not long
after 6.03 was wrapped up, and she fixed a lot of the known ActiveX defects,
plus generally cleaning up the ActiveX handling in VEE. I think 6.1 has a
lot of value over 6.03.

We are going to remove the 6.03 patches from the ftp site because we have
decided to make them a supported part of T&M Toolkit for .NET product. The
patches and a Readme will appear on the T&M Toolkit CD and in the download
from ADN. They are intended for use by T&M Toolkit programmers who want to
use their VEE code from .NET. For users for whom VEE is vital, like those on
the vrf, we recommend upgrading to VEE 6.1 because it is more complete than
6.03.

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

In retrospect, we agree that there is not as much value as users would
expect in the new revision. We agree we need to provide more value for this
price. Please read on.

- defect fixes should be free anyway

I'd like to put aside this rather highly charged topic until we get to the
changes we are making to increase the value of the update.

----

I'll ask you to bear with me in this section, because I am going to describe
a brand-new product--the Agilent Developer Network (ADN)--as I believe it is
not well understood by most VEE customers. Yet when we have explained it to
these customers, they have agreed it could be quite valuable to them. It's
worth reading about ADN because it is what we are going to add to E2120AD.

ADN provides real value to VEE and instrument users (note that some of the
content is available for free, no purchase needed, and some requires buying
ADN Professional, at $495/year):

 - access to documents written by experts. This is the distilled
expertise of the Agilent support and R&D communities, especially those who
use VEE and I/O. Code snippets, tech notes, extended tech discussions, white
papers, app notes. Think of this as self-help material. Note that it is a
bit sparse right now, but we are continually adding content. I have
contributed or edited a lot of material that is now on the ADN website or is
"in the pipeline" and should appear soon.

 - tech support. ADN Pro allows you to submit a technical (or
non-tech, if you wish) support question and get an answer from us. You can
do it by email, if you're tired of being passed around on the phone! It is
the mechanism by which we provide the full support included in E2120AL, the
VEE 6.1 Annual Right To Use, for example. If the questions are deep enough,
they come back to Nicole and me, and we can take them to the VEE or Toolkit
R&D teams when necessary.

 - access to the latest product updates, instrument drivers, IO
Libraries, instrument and software manuals, etc. All nicely organized and
easy to get at. At last you can stop searching the Agilent general site
trying to find a programming manual for an E34401, or whatever. There's also
a program that examines your system and advises you what is out-of-date,
e.g. I/O Libraries K.01.00, and gives you an option to download any updates.

 - community. Discussion forums, a place to post apps or snippets you
want to share, and a place to post your story about how you designed an
application or test system, etc. Submit a bug report to us from the free ADN
Basic area. We plan to put the vrf into ADN Basic, as well. Don't panic, we
won't charge for it; it will stay free for all users. Nicole will send a vrf
message asking about your need for email access to vrf, since ADN is
web-centric; this is your chance to make your needs known to us, so please
respond to her.

ADN Basic, the free version, requires you to register and provide some basic
info about yourself on the Web (we follow the Agilent Privacy Policy), and
provides some pretty good self-help stuff, though not software updates or
Agilent tech support. You can try it, if you like, at <
www.agilent.com/find/adn >.

ADN Professional, W1150A, $495/year, provides more content in most of the
above areas, plus access to minor product updates for VEE and T&M Toolkit
for .NET, Tech Support, and regularly shipped CDs with much of the content
of the ADN Pro website on them (popular drivers, IO Libraries, white papers,
demos and evaluation versions, etc).

A clarification: Though the ADN Professional website is where the downloads
of major revisions of products ("upgrades") can be found, ADN Pro does not
provide the new license required to execute new major revisions; that
license is only available through purchase of an ARTU or a Perpetual
license. ADN Pro is just the delivery mechanism for electronic-only
products. Visit the link above to learn more about ADN Pro.

---

- "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?"

For the price of the E2120AD (the upgrade from VEE 6.0/6.01 to VEE 6.1) you
will get both the 6.1 upgrade and 6 months of ADN Professional. This of
course includes access to any minor updates of VEE we publish during that
period--I can't guarantee an update during that time, but there may be
one--tech support, and access to all the other ADN Pro stuff.

If you like ADN Pro and want to continue after the 6 months are done, you'll
need to buy a year's subscription (W1150A $495), or buy a VEE ARTU (E2120AL
$895) and get it that way. In either case, E2120AD will provide you with a
perpetual license to run 6.1, whether you continue with ADN Pro or not.

This new product definition for E2120AD will apply to all buyers, not just
vrf members. 6 months ADN Pro will automatically be credited if you have
already purchased E2120AD, and you'll get information on how to register for
ADN Pro.

Our price list doesn't yet include the ADN membership with E2120AD, and the
Contact Center people can't yet answer questions about it. We wanted to
announce it first to the vrf. We'll post in the vrf when we're ready to
implement the program. Should take a few weeks. Your ADN Pro subscription
will only start when you set it up on the web, and will run for 6 months
after that. You will be required to register for ADN Professional before
Nov 1, 2002 to take advantage of the six months ADN Pro membership.

This opportunity to get 6 months ADN Pro with E2120AD will terminate after
Oct 31, 2002. The ADN Pro memberships themselves will expire 6 months after
you sign up on the Web.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Nicole Dierksheide
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax
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VRFuser Jun 7, 2002 5:23 PM
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Nicole,

Well, that's good news AND bad. Nice that it's lower, but next year's
pricing will most likely be higher than I had originally thought. ;-(

Is there any way the VRF community can keep informed, say at least 60 days
in advance, before this discount pricing goes away? That would be a big
help.

Have a great weekend,
Mike Groves
Cree Microwave

-----Original Message-----
From: DIERKSHEIDE,NICOLE (A-Loveland,ex1)
[mailto:nicole_dierksheide@agilent.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:49 PM
To: 'Mike Groves'; BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1); VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Great catch Mike! Our list price is what Scott included in this e-mail.
The prices you have included are on our ADN Software Store, which are
running at a discount right now.

Regards,
Nicole

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Groves [mailto:Mike_Groves@cree.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:41 PM
To: 'BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)'; VEE Reflector (E-mail)
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Scott,

Not sure where your pricing numbers came from, but your web site says:

 VEE Pro for Windows ARTU (E2120AL) . . . . . . . . $680.00
(Which, for clarification, includes 1 year of ADN Professional.)

and...

 One-time upgrade from VEE Pro 6.0. (E2120AD) . . . . $300.00
(Which includes a 1 time, 6 month free subscription to ADN Professional.)

I think your prices were somewhat higher. (Canadian dollars maybe)

Mike Groves
Cree Microwave

-----Original Message-----
From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:58 PM
To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com'
Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1

Hello vrf-ers.

We have not been ignoring the recent traffic on the vrf about VEE 6.01 to
6.1 upgrades, and VEE 6.03. We wanted to understand what you are faced with
and how we can make a reasonable response to the group before responding.
We've talked to some of you whom we felt were representative of the vrf with
respect to the upgrade issues, because we can't possibly talk to all of you
individually.

We will discuss the Licensing issues later, but for now, we need to get the
upgrade topic addressed.

I'm going to cover a number of areas in order to explain what you need to
know in order to evaluate the final part, which is "What is Agilent going to
_do_ for us?". I apologize for the length of this posting, but lack of
information and misinformation are large components of the current
situation.

We believe your primary concerns to be the following:

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

- defect fixes should be free anyway

- Agilent has done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

For now, please allow me to restrict the response to the above, and not
respond to the licensing/LAN card discussion that's filling my email-box. I
promise to respond to that topic in the near future, but the stated focus
for this email is already complex enough. I'm sure there are other concerns
that I won't address in this response. Please hold off on them for a while
too, till we can get this one resolved.

Let me respond to the concerns in the order that I believe makes it easiest
to understand.

- we have done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding
something?

Not trying to hide anything at all. As insiders who live and breathe it, and
talk VEE 6.1 every day, we just didn't realize it wouldn't be immediately
obvious to web visitors that 6.1 is new and replaces 6.01. By the way, 6.1
is indeed the "VEE-NR" that I mentioned on the vrf back in Dec and again in
Jan/Feb.

I posted a part number and pricing clarification for VEE 6.1 a few days ago
on the vrf, in case you're not familiar with the pricing details and options
for the new product.

- Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on?

6.03 was purpose-built as a limited-release, temporary revision. The
purposes were:

 - T&M Toolkit for .NET needed some Automation Server functionality
 not found in 6.01. We initiated 6.03 primarily to provide that
 functionality to T&M Toolkit beta testers.

 - because we were already modifying the VEE source and would have
 to do QA anyway, we decided to fix some of the highest weight
 defects, particularly those which we knew specific customers
 were experiencing show-stopper problems. In addition, R&D chose
 to fix some other defects. We intended a limited distribution of
 6.03 to only the specific customers experiencing the show-stopper
 problems; later some other customers also experiencing
show-stopper
 problems received the 6.03 patch. We warned these recipients of
 6.03 that it was an unsupported revision that would need to be
 replaced when 6.1 became available, as we could not afford to
 support 6.03 long-term.

By the way, 6.03 was actually released only as a patch that would update
copies of 6.01. As far as I know, it was never provided as a complete VEE
executable. So when I say "6.03" I mean the patch or VEE 6.01 updated by the
patch to 6.03 as appropriate.

To distribute 6.03 for bugfix purposes, we decided to place it on the ftp
server that the vrf discovered. We gave the appropriate URL to the customers
we had been in contact with, and hoped no one else would find it.

In this day of extensive web search engines like Google, this "security by
obscurity" was a mistake.

A final major piece of information: 6.03 is significantly less capable than
6.1. It includes only the Toolkit functionality and some defect fixes. It
does not include Windows XP support, MATLAB 6.1 integration and support, and
a lot of the defect fixes found in 6.1. As a matter of fact, the VEE R&D
team acquired the services of one of our best ActiveX R&D experts not long
after 6.03 was wrapped up, and she fixed a lot of the known ActiveX defects,
plus generally cleaning up the ActiveX handling in VEE. I think 6.1 has a
lot of value over 6.03.

We are going to remove the 6.03 patches from the ftp site because we have
decided to make them a supported part of T&M Toolkit for .NET product. The
patches and a Readme will appear on the T&M Toolkit CD and in the download
from ADN. They are intended for use by T&M Toolkit programmers who want to
use their VEE code from .NET. For users for whom VEE is vital, like those on
the vrf, we recommend upgrading to VEE 6.1 because it is more complete than
6.03.

- VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and
does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade
from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1

In retrospect, we agree that there is not as much value as users would
expect in the new revision. We agree we need to provide more value for this
price. Please read on.

- defect fixes should be free anyway

I'd like to put aside this rather highly charged topic until we get to the
changes we are making to increase the value of the update.

----

I'll ask you to bear with me in this section, because I am going to describe
a brand-new product--the Agilent Developer Network (ADN)--as I believe it is
not well understood by most VEE customers. Yet when we have explained it to
these customers, they have agreed it could be quite valuable to them. It's
worth reading about ADN because it is what we are going to add to E2120AD.

ADN provides real value to VEE and instrument users (note that some of the
content is available for free, no purchase needed, and some requires buying
ADN Professional, at $495/year):

 - access to documents written by experts. This is the distilled
expertise of the Agilent support and R&D communities, especially those who
use VEE and I/O. Code snippets, tech notes, extended tech discussions, white
papers, app notes. Think of this as self-help material. Note that it is a
bit sparse right now, but we are continually adding content. I have
contributed or edited a lot of material that is now on the ADN website or is
"in the pipeline" and should appear soon.

 - tech support. ADN Pro allows you to submit a technical (or
non-tech, if you wish) support question and get an answer from us. You can
do it by email, if you're tired of being passed around on the phone! It is
the mechanism by which we provide the full support included in E2120AL, the
VEE 6.1 Annual Right To Use, for example. If the questions are deep enough,
they come back to Nicole and me, and we can take them to the VEE or Toolkit
R&D teams when necessary.

 - access to the latest product updates, instrument drivers, IO
Libraries, instrument and software manuals, etc. All nicely organized and
easy to get at. At last you can stop searching the Agilent general site
trying to find a programming manual for an E34401, or whatever. There's also
a program that examines your system and advises you what is out-of-date,
e.g. I/O Libraries K.01.00, and gives you an option to download any updates.

 - community. Discussion forums, a place to post apps or snippets you
want to share, and a place to post your story about how you designed an
application or test system, etc. Submit a bug report to us from the free ADN
Basic area. We plan to put the vrf into ADN Basic, as well. Don't panic, we
won't charge for it; it will stay free for all users. Nicole will send a vrf
message asking about your need for email access to vrf, since ADN is
web-centric; this is your chance to make your needs known to us, so please
respond to her.

ADN Basic, the free version, requires you to register and provide some basic
info about yourself on the Web (we follow the Agilent Privacy Policy), and
provides some pretty good self-help stuff, though not software updates or
Agilent tech support. You can try it, if you like, at <
www.agilent.com/find/adn >.

ADN Professional, W1150A, $495/year, provides more content in most of the
above areas, plus access to minor product updates for VEE and T&M Toolkit
for .NET, Tech Support, and regularly shipped CDs with much of the content
of the ADN Pro website on them (popular drivers, IO Libraries, white papers,
demos and evaluation versions, etc).

A clarification: Though the ADN Professional website is where the downloads
of major revisions of products ("upgrades") can be found, ADN Pro does not
provide the new license required to execute new major revisions; that
license is only available through purchase of an ARTU or a Perpetual
license. ADN Pro is just the delivery mechanism for electronic-only
products. Visit the link above to learn more about ADN Pro.

---

- "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?"

For the price of the E2120AD (the upgrade from VEE 6.0/6.01 to VEE 6.1) you
will get both the 6.1 upgrade and 6 months of ADN Professional. This of
course includes access to any minor updates of VEE we publish during that
period--I can't guarantee an update during that time, but there may be
one--tech support, and access to all the other ADN Pro stuff.

If you like ADN Pro and want to continue after the 6 months are done, you'll
need to buy a year's subscription (W1150A $495), or buy a VEE ARTU (E2120AL
$895) and get it that way. In either case, E2120AD will provide you with a
perpetual license to run 6.1, whether you continue with ADN Pro or not.

This new product definition for E2120AD will apply to all buyers, not just
vrf members. 6 months ADN Pro will automatically be credited if you have
already purchased E2120AD, and you'll get information on how to register for
ADN Pro.

Our price list doesn't yet include the ADN membership with E2120AD, and the
Contact Center people can't yet answer questions about it. We wanted to
announce it first to the vrf. We'll post in the vrf when we're ready to
implement the program. Should take a few weeks. Your ADN Pro subscription
will only start when you set it up on the web, and will run for 6 months
after that. You will be required to register for ADN Professional before
Nov 1, 2002 to take advantage of the six months ADN Pro membership.

This opportunity to get 6 months ADN Pro with E2120AD will terminate after
Oct 31, 2002. The ADN Pro memberships themselves will expire 6 months after
you sign up on the Web.

Sincerely,

Scott Bayes
Nicole Dierksheide
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><TITLE>RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1</TITLE><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=GENERATOR></HEAD><BODY><DIV>Boy, you let a guy know you're a Canuck, and he never lets you forget it! </DIV><DIV>:-) "Prices slightly higher in Canada"</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>As Nicole mentioned, we gave List Prices. We had meant to mention the currently available discounted introductory prices, but Friday's email was complicated enough that we forgot to put it in. Sorry.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Regards,</DIV><DIV> </DIV>Scott Bayes Software Technical Support Agilent Technologies, Inc. 815 14th Street S.W. Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537 970 679 3799 Tel 970 635 6867 Fax <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: Mike Groves [mailto:Mike_Groves@cree.com] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:41 PM To: 'BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1)'; VEE Reflector (E-mail) Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1 </DIV> Scott, Not sure where your pricing numbers came from, but your web site says: VEE Pro for Windows ARTU (E2120AL) . . . . . . . . $680.00 (Which, for clarification, includes 1 year of ADN Professional.) and... One-time upgrade from VEE Pro 6.0. (E2120AD) . . . . $300.00 (Which includes a 1 time, 6 month free subscription to ADN Professional.) I think your prices were somewhat higher. (Canadian dollars maybe) Mike Groves Cree Microwave -----Original Message----- From: BAYES,SCOTT (A-Loveland,ex1) [<A href="mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com">mailto:scott_bayes@Agilent.com</A>] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:58 PM To: 'vrf@lvld.agilent.com' Subject: RE: vrf Announcing VEE 6.1 Hello vrf-ers. We have not been ignoring the recent traffic on the vrf about VEE 6.01 to 6.1 upgrades, and VEE 6.03. We wanted to understand what you are faced with and how we can make a reasonable response to the group before responding. We've talked to some of you whom we felt were representative of the vrf with respect to the upgrade issues, because we can't possibly talk to all of you individually. We will discuss the Licensing issues later, but for now, we need to get the upgrade topic addressed. I'm going to cover a number of areas in order to explain what you need to know in order to evaluate the final part, which is "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?". I apologize for the length of this posting, but lack of information and misinformation are large components of the current situation. We believe your primary concerns to be the following: - VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1 - defect fixes should be free anyway - Agilent has done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding something? - Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on? For now, please allow me to restrict the response to the above, and not respond to the licensing/LAN card discussion that's filling my email-box. I promise to respond to that topic in the near future, but the stated focus for this email is already complex enough. I'm sure there are other concerns that I won't address in this response. Please hold off on them for a while too, till we can get this one resolved. Let me respond to the concerns in the order that I believe makes it easiest to understand. - we have done little marketing or explanation of 6.1. Are we hiding something? Not trying to hide anything at all. As insiders who live and breathe it, and talk VEE 6.1 every day, we just didn't realize it wouldn't be immediately obvious to web visitors that 6.1 is new and replaces 6.01. By the way, 6.1 is indeed the "VEE-NR" that I mentioned on the vrf back in Dec and again in Jan/Feb. I posted a part number and pricing clarification for VEE 6.1 a few days ago on the vrf, in case you're not familiar with the pricing details and options for the new product. - Agilent has never discussed this 6.03 rev. What's going on? 6.03 was purpose-built as a limited-release, temporary revision. The purposes were: - T&M Toolkit for .NET needed some Automation Server functionality not found in 6.01. We initiated 6.03 primarily to provide that functionality to T&M Toolkit beta testers. - because we were already modifying the VEE source and would have to do QA anyway, we decided to fix some of the highest weight defects, particularly those which we knew specific customers were experiencing show-stopper problems. In addition, R&D chose to fix some other defects. We intended a limited distribution of 6.03 to only the specific customers experiencing the show-stopper problems; later some other customers also experiencing show-stopper problems received the 6.03 patch. We warned these recipients of 6.03 that it was an unsupported revision that would need to be replaced when 6.1 became available, as we could not afford to support 6.03 long-term. By the way, 6.03 was actually released only as a patch that would update copies of 6.01. As far as I know, it was never provided as a complete VEE executable. So when I say "6.03" I mean the patch or VEE 6.01 updated by the patch to 6.03 as appropriate. To distribute 6.03 for bugfix purposes, we decided to place it on the ftp server that the vrf discovered. We gave the appropriate URL to the customers we had been in contact with, and hoped no one else would find it. In this day of extensive web search engines like Google, this "security by obscurity" was a mistake. A final major piece of information: 6.03 is significantly less capable than 6.1. It includes only the Toolkit functionality and some defect fixes. It does not include Windows XP support, MATLAB 6.1 integration and support, and a lot of the defect fixes found in 6.1. As a matter of fact, the VEE R&D team acquired the services of one of our best ActiveX R&D experts not long after 6.03 was wrapped up, and she fixed a lot of the known ActiveX defects, plus generally cleaning up the ActiveX handling in VEE. I think 6.1 has a lot of value over 6.03. We are going to remove the 6.03 patches from the ftp site because we have decided to make them a supported part of T&M Toolkit for .NET product. The patches and a Readme will appear on the T&M Toolkit CD and in the download from ADN. They are intended for use by T&M Toolkit programmers who want to use their VEE code from .NET. For users for whom VEE is vital, like those on the vrf, we recommend upgrading to VEE 6.1 because it is more complete than 6.03. - VEE 6.1 is a small improvement over 6.0/6.01, mostly defect fixes, and does not warrant paying $395 for, which is the cost of E2120AD, the upgrade from 6.0/6.01 to 6.1 In retrospect, we agree that there is not as much value as users would expect in the new revision. We agree we need to provide more value for this price. Please read on. - defect fixes should be free anyway I'd like to put aside this rather highly charged topic until we get to the changes we are making to increase the value of the update. ---- I'll ask you to bear with me in this section, because I am going to describe a brand-new product--the Agilent Developer Network (ADN)--as I believe it is not well understood by most VEE customers. Yet when we have explained it to these customers, they have agreed it could be quite valuable to them. It's worth reading about ADN because it is what we are going to add to E2120AD. ADN provides real value to VEE and instrument users (note that some of the content is available for free, no purchase needed, and some requires buying ADN Professional, at $495/year): - access to documents written by experts. This is the distilled expertise of the Agilent support and R&D communities, especially those who use VEE and I/O. Code snippets, tech notes, extended tech discussions, white papers, app notes. Think of this as self-help material. Note that it is a bit sparse right now, but we are continually adding content. I have contributed or edited a lot of material that is now on the ADN website or is "in the pipeline" and should appear soon. - tech support. ADN Pro allows you to submit a technical (or non-tech, if you wish) support question and get an answer from us. You can do it by email, if you're tired of being passed around on the phone! It is the mechanism by which we provide the full support included in E2120AL, the VEE 6.1 Annual Right To Use, for example. If the questions are deep enough, they come back to Nicole and me, and we can take them to the VEE or Toolkit R&D teams when necessary. - access to the latest product updates, instrument drivers, IO Libraries, instrument and software manuals, etc. All nicely organized and easy to get at. At last you can stop searching the Agilent general site trying to find a programming manual for an E34401, or whatever. There's also a program that examines your system and advises you what is out-of-date, e.g. I/O Libraries K.01.00, and gives you an option to download any updates. - community. Discussion forums, a place to post apps or snippets you want to share, and a place to post your story about how you designed an application or test system, etc. Submit a bug report to us from the free ADN Basic area. We plan to put the vrf into ADN Basic, as well. Don't panic, we won't charge for it; it will stay free for all users. Nicole will send a vrf message asking about your need for email access to vrf, since ADN is web-centric; this is your chance to make your needs known to us, so please respond to her. ADN Basic, the free version, requires you to register and provide some basic info about yourself on the Web (we follow the Agilent Privacy Policy), and provides some pretty good self-help stuff, though not software updates or Agilent tech support. You can try it, if you like, at | www.agilent.com/find/adn >. ADN Professional, W1150A, $495/year, provides more content in most of the above areas, plus access to minor product updates for VEE and T&M Toolkit for .NET, Tech Support, and regularly shipped CDs with much of the content of the ADN Pro website on them (popular drivers, IO Libraries, white papers, demos and evaluation versions, etc). A clarification: Though the ADN Professional website is where the downloads of major revisions of products ("upgrades") can be found, ADN Pro does not provide the new license required to execute new major revisions; that license is only available through purchase of an ARTU or a Perpetual license. ADN Pro is just the delivery mechanism for electronic-only products. Visit the link above to learn more about ADN Pro. --- - "What is Agilent going to _do_ for us?" For the price of the E2120AD (the upgrade from VEE 6.0/6.01 to VEE 6.1) you will get both the 6.1 upgrade and 6 months of ADN Professional. This of course includes access to any minor updates of VEE we publish during that period--I can't guarantee an update during that time, but there may be one--tech support, and access to all the other ADN Pro stuff. If you like ADN Pro and want to continue after the 6 months are done, you'll need to buy a year's subscription (W1150A $495), or buy a VEE ARTU (E2120AL $895) and get it that way. In either case, E2120AD will provide you with a perpetual license to run 6.1, whether you continue with ADN Pro or not. This new product definition for E2120AD will apply to all buyers, not just vrf members. 6 months ADN Pro will automatically be credited if you have already purchased E2120AD, and you'll get information on how to register for ADN Pro. Our price list doesn't yet include the ADN membership with E2120AD, and the Contact Center people can't yet answer questions about it. We wanted to announce it first to the vrf. We'll post in the vrf when we're ready to implement the program. Should take a few weeks. Your ADN Pro subscription will only start when you set it up on the web, and will run for 6 months after that. You will be required to register for ADN Professional before Nov 1, 2002 to take advantage of the six months ADN Pro membership. This opportunity to get 6 months ADN Pro with E2120AD will terminate after Oct 31, 2002. The ADN Pro memberships themselves will expire 6 months after you sign up on the Web. Sincerely, Scott Bayes Nicole Dierksheide Software Technical Support Agilent Technologies, Inc. 815 14th Street S.W. Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537 970 679 3799 Tel 970 635 6867 Fax --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the "vrf" maillist, managed by Majordomo. 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