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> By the way Shawn, you are "right".

Ah, I just love it when that happens.
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VRFuser Oct 28, 2003 1:43 PM
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> because of the word "LYRIS" in the message-id in the header part of the
> mail, this mail is considered as being spam

Every once in a while that happens to me too, using Outlook 2000. I can't
figure out where it's finding Lyris though - every time it happens I've
checked the headers and I can't see Lyris anywhere. I think it may be more
of an Outlook thing than anything else.

It's just Lyris' way of trying to avoid infinite mail loops though. If a VRF
message gets posted back to the VRF by way of another mail list, then that
would be a problem . To my recollection, there was exactly one instance of
spam on the VRF since 1997 and it was rectified immediately.
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VRFuser Oct 28, 2003 1:43 PM
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> because of the word "LYRIS" in the message-id in the header part of the
> mail, this mail is considered as being spam

Every once in a while that happens to me too, using Outlook 2000. I can't
figure out where it's finding Lyris though - every time it happens I've
checked the headers and I can't see Lyris anywhere. I think it may be more
of an Outlook thing than anything else.

It's just Lyris' way of trying to avoid infinite mail loops though. If a VRF
message gets posted back to the VRF by way of another mail list, then that
would be a problem . To my recollection, there was exactly one instance of
spam on the VRF since 1997 and it was rectified immediately.
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VRFuser Oct 28, 2003 5:18 PM
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi VRF,</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I encounter a "funny" problem (I actually can't laugh):</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Whenever I'm answering directly to an incoming mail from vrf -using OUTLOOK EXPRESS 2nd button from the left- my provider sends back the mail saying that because of the word "LYRIS" in the message-id in the header part of the mail, this mail is considered as being spam, because it is sent to a manyfold of addresses. Which is true.</FONT></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, I'm always setting up a new mail and have to type in the RE, which leads sometimes to funny results, as i.e. "[vrf] [vrf]" when I receive the rebounce of my own mail.</FONT></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has anybody an idea as to what I can do? (except changing the provider!)</FONT></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://www.pcmess.com">www.pcmess.com</A></FONT></DIV><DIV> </DIV>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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VRFuser Oct 28, 2003 5:18 PM
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi VRF,</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I encounter a "funny" problem (I actually can't laugh):</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Whenever I'm answering directly to an incoming mail from vrf -using OUTLOOK EXPRESS 2nd button from the left- my provider sends back the mail saying that because of the word "LYRIS" in the message-id in the header part of the mail, this mail is considered as being spam, because it is sent to a manyfold of addresses. Which is true.</FONT></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, I'm always setting up a new mail and have to type in the RE, which leads sometimes to funny results, as i.e. "[vrf] [vrf]" when I receive the rebounce of my own mail.</FONT></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has anybody an idea as to what I can do? (except changing the provider!)</FONT></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://www.pcmess.com">www.pcmess.com</A></FONT></DIV><DIV> </DIV>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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VRFuser Oct 28, 2003 9:02 PM
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2722.900" name=GENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Shawn is always "wright"</FONT></SPAN></DIV><DIV> </DIV><P><FONT size=2>Jeff Davis<BR>Lead Software Test Engineer<BR>CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies<BR>Embedded Systems and Electronics<BR>3137 E Elwood # 160<BR>Phoenix, Arizona 85034<BR>Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)<BR>Cell: (480)330-1431<BR>Fax: (602)431-4435<BR></FONT></P><BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> P.Weber-pcmess [mailto:p.weber@pcmess.de]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 29, 2003 05:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> VEE vrf<BR><B>Subject:</B> [vrf] RE: VRF is spam ?!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Shawn,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>it seems to me if you were in Europe, as your reply reaches me in my "not-sleeping-time".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have not yet received a refuse-mail from my provider for my reply to "Slow 4419".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I'm not getting negative answers to this mail and the one I'm writing now, you should be wright.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know, that this is from a statistical point of view not enough trying, but...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks anyway</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://www.pcmess.com">www.pcmess.com</A> (in Germany)</FONT></DIV>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: jeff.davis@cdi-es.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>________________________________________________________________________<BR>This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email<BR>Security System. For more information on a proactive email security<BR>service working around the clock, around the globe, visit<BR><A href="http://www.messagelabs.com">http://www.messagelabs.com</A><BR>________________________________________________________________________<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>________________________________________________________________________<BR>This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email<BR>Security System. For more information on a proactive email security<BR>service working around the clock, around the globe, visit<BR><A href=http://www.messagelabs.com>http://www.messagelabs.com</A><BR>________________________________________________________________________<BR>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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VRFuser Oct 28, 2003 9:02 PM
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2722.900" name=GENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Shawn is always "wright"</FONT></SPAN></DIV><DIV> </DIV><P><FONT size=2>Jeff Davis<BR>Lead Software Test Engineer<BR>CDI Engineering Solutions Aerospace Technologies<BR>Embedded Systems and Electronics<BR>3137 E Elwood # 160<BR>Phoenix, Arizona 85034<BR>Phone: (602)431-4497 (x226)<BR>Cell: (480)330-1431<BR>Fax: (602)431-4435<BR></FONT></P><BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> P.Weber-pcmess [mailto:p.weber@pcmess.de]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 29, 2003 05:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> VEE vrf<BR><B>Subject:</B> [vrf] RE: VRF is spam ?!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Shawn,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>it seems to me if you were in Europe, as your reply reaches me in my "not-sleeping-time".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have not yet received a refuse-mail from my provider for my reply to "Slow 4419".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I'm not getting negative answers to this mail and the one I'm writing now, you should be wright.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know, that this is from a statistical point of view not enough trying, but...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks anyway</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://www.pcmess.com">www.pcmess.com</A> (in Germany)</FONT></DIV>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: jeff.davis@cdi-es.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>________________________________________________________________________<BR>This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email<BR>Security System. For more information on a proactive email security<BR>service working around the clock, around the globe, visit<BR><A href="http://www.messagelabs.com">http://www.messagelabs.com</A><BR>________________________________________________________________________<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>________________________________________________________________________<BR>This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email<BR>Security System. For more information on a proactive email security<BR>service working around the clock, around the globe, visit<BR><A href=http://www.messagelabs.com>http://www.messagelabs.com</A><BR>________________________________________________________________________<BR>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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VRFuser Oct 28, 2003 9:56 PM
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Shawn,</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>it seems to me if you were in Europe, as your reply reaches me in my "not-sleeping-time".</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have not yet received a refuse-mail from my provider for my reply to "Slow 4419".</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I'm not getting negative answers to this mail and the one I'm writing now, you should be wright.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know, that this is from a statistical point of view not enough trying, but...</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks anyway</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://www.pcmess.com">www.pcmess.com</A> (in Germany)</FONT></DIV>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Shawn,</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>it seems to me if you were in Europe, as your reply reaches me in my "not-sleeping-time".</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have not yet received a refuse-mail from my provider for my reply to "Slow 4419".</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I'm not getting negative answers to this mail and the one I'm writing now, you should be wright.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know, that this is from a statistical point of view not enough trying, but...</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks anyway</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://www.pcmess.com">www.pcmess.com</A> (in Germany)</FONT></DIV>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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VRFuser Oct 29, 2003 6:54 AM
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> Shawn is always "wright"

Oh I dunno Jeff. I was "rong" about the bug message
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Oh I dunno Jeff. I was "rong" about the bug message
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>> Shawn is always "wright"</FONT></SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003>Thanks Jeff, in VRF I'm not only learning about VEE and Shawn but also how to spell English !</SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003>:-) => you can see that I'm NOT disappointed, which would look like that: </SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003>By the way Shawn, you are "right". Since I had Outlook <U>check the vrf-address</U> it works !</SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003>Peter</SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003><A href="http://www.pcmess.com">www.pcmess.com</A></SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV></FONT></DIV>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>> Shawn is always "wright"</FONT></SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003>Thanks Jeff, in VRF I'm not only learning about VEE and Shawn but also how to spell English !</SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003>:-) => you can see that I'm NOT disappointed, which would look like that: </SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003>By the way Shawn, you are "right". Since I had Outlook <U>check the vrf-address</U> it works !</SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003>Peter</SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003><A href="http://www.pcmess.com">www.pcmess.com</A></SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=963260118-29102003></SPAN> </DIV></FONT></DIV>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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VRFuser Oct 30, 2003 9:11 AM
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> By the way Shawn, you are "right".

Ah, I just love it when that happens.
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