<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><TITLE>Agilent Vee Pro 7</TITLE><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1226" name=GENERATOR></HEAD><BODY><DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=828273818-31102003>Scott,</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=828273818-31102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=828273818-31102003>What about the number of machines? Is it still all machines 1 user?</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=828273818-31102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=828273818-31102003>Mark</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> scott_bayes@agilent.com [mailto:scott_bayes@agilent.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 31, 2003 10:21 AM<BR><B>To:</B> VEE vrf<BR><B>Cc:</B> vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [vrf] RE: Agilent Vee Pro 7<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Ed and vrf,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I really enjoyed meeting and talking with you at VEE Days. Wish I'd had a chance to join some of the other VEE Days, but the boss says I have to do some work sometimes. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>But Nic will be presenting at San Diego and LA VEE Days next week, so anyone who attends, be sure to go up and introduce yourself. These events are still scheduled, and it looks like the weather is helping the firefighters, so it should work out OK.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I guess the other half of the coat of paint analogy is that the current ways of getting at the resources in your list (ActiveX, etc) are a patchwork quilt: you need a myriad of techniques and multiple doses of learning to be able to talk to all the of them. With .NET, you get a uniform interface, a coat of paint, to many of these things (not all yet, but many), with decent documentation, etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>VEE 7.0 will support direct connections to the instrument using both USB and LAN (in addition to traditional PCI GPIB and GPIB converters, which we will continue to support). Just go to Best Buy or Fry's and get a $15 USB cable to connect the PC to the instrument. Or hook the PC and the instrument together via a LAN hub or switch, no GPIB converter required. To see an instrument that supports this, find the 33220A Arb on the Agilent website, which has GPIB, USB and LAN sockets. More and more instruments with these 3 interfaces will be appearing from Agilent.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>VEE 7 licensing will be the same as the 6.2 scheme: if you buy the product, we send you a Product Key that enables your copy of VEE forever when you type it in. If you want to try VEE 6.2 or 7, download the evaluation or request a CD, then when you're installing it, type "eval" into the dialog that asks for Product Key and VEE will run as a fully functional evaluation for 30 days. After that, it will refuse to run without a purchased Product Key. If you later purchase, just type the Product Key you receive into VEE and it's permanently enabled. You don't need to reinstall, because the evaluation software is exactly the same bits as the product, with exactly the same capabilities, though the eval CD and download do contain some extra multimedia presentations.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Best Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=664023917-31102003></SPAN><FONT size=2>Scott Bayes<BR>Software Technical Support<BR><BR>Agilent Technologies, Inc.<BR>815 14th Street S.W.<BR>Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537<BR><BR>970 679 3799 Tel<BR>970 635 6867 Fax</FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Shaw, Edward [mailto:eshaw@comtechefdata.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 31, 2003 9:27 AM<BR><B>To:</B> VEE vrf<BR><B>Subject:</B> [vrf] Agilent Vee Pro 7<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <UL> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman">A few of us from our company attended an Agilent VEE days seminar last week in Phoenix, AZ. We got to meet Scott Bayes, Ken Colasuonno, Jeff Holman, and Jeff Neal from Agilent. Scott correct me if I'm wrong about any of this stuff.........</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Overall I thought VEE days was very well done. They started with an overall intro about VEE and covered MATLAB scripting, networking features, Excel, XML and database data exporting techniques and a little on handling large programs and memory optimization.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Then at the end they covered the new release of VEE 7:</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Ken Colasuonno (Program manager for Vee 7) first showed off the undo feature and told us we had to clap and ohh and ahhh. It seems to work ok and it did generate some genuine excitement. The beta version had some kinks in the undo feature which triggered the new Red Box of Death. The new BRB is not red anymore. It's gray and seems to have more troubleshooting info attached to it like the stack. If I understood correctly you can back up in the stack to see what triggered the, I guess you would call it, "Gray Box of Death". They also have a button on the new "BRB or now the BGB" which, when selected, will e-mail all the defect information to Agilent support. I think they said it gets put in a big defect database.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Ken said he also manages the T&M Toolkit and mentioned they are trying to tie in a lot of the features between the two.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Not really proficient with Visual Basic or Visual Studio but my colleague commented that Vee 7 seems to tie in a lot of the look and feel for some of the features like selecting numerous objects and changing their properties all at once. There was a grid on the panel view of VEE 7 with snap and alignment features.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">A lot of features called .net or Microsoft.net which makes it easier to tie into Microsoft products using ActiveX, Excel, Access, Word, Internet Explorer,Windows API, etc. I think Scott Bayes (VEE technical support) described it like putting a fresh coat of paint over the previous version's methods of accessing those Microsoft products. Ken said there was more documentation in the help menu about those techniques as well.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">I think they said there was more USB device support in the I/O manager. They said Agilent is trying to get away from needing to use a GPIB card altogether. They will just have a direct USB connection from instruments to computer.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Scott mentioned something about the VEE 7 licensing agreement. Something like you can have a licensed copy on your office computer which will allow you to have a 30 day fully functional development version running on your test station. You just aren't allowed to use both simultaneously. No more being two places at once I guess. Then once you are done developing you run the .vxe on the test station.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Overall I think it can be very much worth the, I think they said, $300-400 upgrade price. It seems to make certain somewhat complicated things easier to develop.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Ken said they are working towards making VEE 7 available in early 2004. What they would do for now is sell you version 6.2 and then when 7 becomes available they would give it to you for free.</FONT></P></UL> <P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Ed Shaw </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>ATE Design Engineer </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Comtech EFData Corporation </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>2114 West Seventh Street </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Tempe, Arizona 85281 </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Tel. 480-333-2107 </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Fax 480-333-2525 </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>eshaw@comtechefdata.com </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><A href="http://www.comtechefdata.com" target=_blank>http://www.comtechefdata.com</A></FONT> </P><BR>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: scott_bayes@agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". </BLOCKQUOTE>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: Mark.Goldberg@ATK.COM<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". </BLOCKQUOTE>---<BR>You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com<BR>To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".<BR>To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". <BR>If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
What a BEAUTIFUL post !
I have been totally unable to persuade my current employer from using VEE as
a "deliverable to customer" software development platform on the last three
projects (2 years worth) that we have developed. The major reasons for
managements reluctance to use VEE for deliverable applications are;
1. Look and feel - VEE apps are not easily developed that look like a
standard C++ (or VB) executable that uses MFC.
2. Fairly large size of the runtime environment, and the fact that the
runtime cannot be installed silently.
3. What is a .VXE ?
Even if I were to try to find a workaround to item 2, I still can't fight
them on the look and feel issues. If VEE had more MFC like widgets, the
battle would be easier to win - especially given the fact that we can
develop apps faster with VEE even with learning curve.
I hear comments like "Where are the tab strips? Where are the tool bar
menus, submenu items?, Where are the tool tips? Where are the menu
seperators? Any Grid tools?" . We use VEE to build development and Test
Tools, text parsing tools, ActiveX tools that output test data to Excel and
Word, etc.. But absolutely NO deliverable application software because "look
and feel" related issues always come up. Even the VEE RADIO BUTTONS are some
bizzare HP implementation (from Unix??) that isn't the same as a standard
MFC/ VB Radio button object. (Note: I actually used VEE Button objects with
Custom attribute set, and cut-n-paste VB "round" radio buttons with
'selected' and 'unselected' state bitmaps to simulate "real" MFC type radio
buttons during a demo for management).
Good luck getting a Status bar Object, Menu items with Icons to the left of
them, Menu items with Checked and Unchecked indicators on them, Dialog boxes
with properties, etc. I will trade in the VEE BUS analyzer, Matlab,
Demultiplexer, and all of the Virtual Source objects for a tool bar menu
with Submenu items !!!
I could rant and rave for at least another 100 kb on this subject without
even bringing up issues like support for Windows CE/Palm OS, etc. I have 5
engineers that work for me, and they see the stuff that I do with VEE, and
the fact that I can whip out an app faster than any of them can with perl,
java, Python, or C++ and they all want to use VEE but...Why waste the
learning curve if we cannot use it to develop deliverables?
VEE will be relegated to the ranks of ATE/STE and GPIB/VXI rack-n-stack test
software in perpetuity - that was what it was designed for, and that is what
it will stay. Evolution is not an option!
I still Love Agilent VEE and will use it until I get told that I can't - but
it looks like I won't be developing any customer/end user deliverable
applications with it for a long while.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Evans [mailto:Nick@genesysibs.com]
Sent: Thu 10/30/2003 5:47 AM
To: VEE vrf
Cc:
Subject: [vrf] Agilent Vee Pro 7
Dear All
Does anybody know if there is any released information on new features and
availability for Vee Pro 7.0 yet?
The reason for asking is that we are just about to commit to a software
development language for new projects through 2004. We are under pressure
to move away from Vee Pro completely for these projects and use something
more “traditional†like Microsoft .net. The main reason for this is that
our test and measurement applications are supplied to end user customers to
run on their own computers and the perception is that they need something
that looks and feels more like a traditional windows application than is
achievable with Vee Pro.
I am interested to know if there are any radical changes in Vee Pro 7.0, in
particular with the user interface options and runtime distribution options
that we should know about.
Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks and best regards
Nick
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What a BEAUTIFUL post !
I have been totally unable to persuade my current employer from using VEE as
a "deliverable to customer" software development platform on the last three
projects (2 years worth) that we have developed. The major reasons for
managements reluctance to use VEE for deliverable applications are;
1. Look and feel - VEE apps are not easily developed that look like a
standard C++ (or VB) executable that uses MFC.
2. Fairly large size of the runtime environment, and the fact that the
runtime cannot be installed silently.
3. What is a .VXE ?
Even if I were to try to find a workaround to item 2, I still can't fight
them on the look and feel issues. If VEE had more MFC like widgets, the
battle would be easier to win - especially given the fact that we can
develop apps faster with VEE even with learning curve.
I hear comments like "Where are the tab strips? Where are the tool bar
menus, submenu items?, Where are the tool tips? Where are the menu
seperators? Any Grid tools?" . We use VEE to build development and Test
Tools, text parsing tools, ActiveX tools that output test data to Excel and
Word, etc.. But absolutely NO deliverable application software because "look
and feel" related issues always come up. Even the VEE RADIO BUTTONS are some
bizzare HP implementation (from Unix??) that isn't the same as a standard
MFC/ VB Radio button object. (Note: I actually used VEE Button objects with
Custom attribute set, and cut-n-paste VB "round" radio buttons with
'selected' and 'unselected' state bitmaps to simulate "real" MFC type radio
buttons during a demo for management).
Good luck getting a Status bar Object, Menu items with Icons to the left of
them, Menu items with Checked and Unchecked indicators on them, Dialog boxes
with properties, etc. I will trade in the VEE BUS analyzer, Matlab,
Demultiplexer, and all of the Virtual Source objects for a tool bar menu
with Submenu items !!!
I could rant and rave for at least another 100 kb on this subject without
even bringing up issues like support for Windows CE/Palm OS, etc. I have 5
engineers that work for me, and they see the stuff that I do with VEE, and
the fact that I can whip out an app faster than any of them can with perl,
java, Python, or C++ and they all want to use VEE but...Why waste the
learning curve if we cannot use it to develop deliverables?
VEE will be relegated to the ranks of ATE/STE and GPIB/VXI rack-n-stack test
software in perpetuity - that was what it was designed for, and that is what
it will stay. Evolution is not an option!
I still Love Agilent VEE and will use it until I get told that I can't - but
it looks like I won't be developing any customer/end user deliverable
applications with it for a long while.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Evans [mailto:Nick@genesysibs.com]
Sent: Thu 10/30/2003 5:47 AM
To: VEE vrf
Cc:
Subject: [vrf] Agilent Vee Pro 7
Dear All
Does anybody know if there is any released information on new features and
availability for Vee Pro 7.0 yet?
The reason for asking is that we are just about to commit to a software
development language for new projects through 2004. We are under pressure
to move away from Vee Pro completely for these projects and use something
more “traditional†like Microsoft .net. The main reason for this is that
our test and measurement applications are supplied to end user customers to
run on their own computers and the perception is that they need something
that looks and feels more like a traditional windows application than is
achievable with Vee Pro.
I am interested to know if there are any radical changes in Vee Pro 7.0, in
particular with the user interface options and runtime distribution options
that we should know about.
Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks and best regards
Nick
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