AnsweredAssumed Answered

vrf SAD DAY

Question asked by VRFuser on Mar 31, 2004
Latest reply on Mar 31, 2004 by VRFuser

Like • Show 0 Likes0
Comment • 10

Hello Agilent,

Agilent products including VEE are suppose to help us build good business. True, I've seen both Agilent software and hardware always a product to beat.

But with VEE, my observation is that Agilent has a very good product being sold through a very poor marketing approach. Marketing people at Agilent should do more work to sell VEE and not just let the Agilent name do the marketing. Whenever I offer services, I collide with people using CVI/Labview and more often I see potential customer tend to use NI hardware just because NI users have more "Prints and Advertisements" to show that they are "more" popular. During product presentation, here's how each side sounds:

NI proponent:

"Their SERVICES powered by CVI/LABVIEW".

Vee proponent:

"VEE (From AGILENT - I have to mention HP/Agilent + blah,blah...) powered by our SERVICES"

"Our SERVICES powered by VEE (From AGILENT - I really really have to mention HP/Agilent + blah,blah...)"

It's a pity that we still have to focus marketing for VEE when their are Agilent people who are supposed to do that. Next time, please give more pages on your product catalogs/brochures for VEE. Honestly, their is nothing to be ashamed of about VEE because I (and other users) can attest that they do and finish more work with VEE than CVI/Labview.

Regards.

Ronald ---You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.comTo subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".

No one else has this question

Outcomes

10 Replies

gurday Mar 30, 2004 7:20 AM
Mark Correct
Correct Answer
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR></HEAD><BODY><DIV>Hello VRFers:</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Perhaps this type of emails from NI are the reason why some people are defecting to labview...Marketing in Agilent has never been strong..great products...poor marketing/customer relationship. Other than VEE days I have not seen any action from Agilent's marketing department in terms of events, seminars, webinars etc...meanwhile I get at least one of this invitations a month...by the way with different topics every month...I have resisted so far...but you know...curiosity kill the cat, so may be one day I'll sign up, go and "VEE" killed by curiosity...</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Sad day in deed!!!</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>G</DIV><DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: |Lisa Turner [mailto:lisa.turner@ni.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:55 PM To: Gonzalo Subject: Sign up today for the NI LabVIEW/Data Acquisition seminar in Ft Lauderdale. </DIV><IMG src="http://www.ni.com/images/email/us/metal_full.gif" NOSEND="1">Dear Gonzalo Urday:Sign up today for the <A href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex7kuw">LabVIEW and Data Acquisition Seminar</A> in Fort Lauderdale on Wednesday, March 31.This seminar is complimentary, but space is limited. For directions, to register, or for other seminars in your area, <A href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/exxzci">click here</A>.Location/Date Information: <A href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex78nj">Fort Lauderdale, FL</A> Sheraton Suites Cypress Creek 555 NW 62nd Street (954) 772-5400 Wednesday, March 31, 2004<A href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex7kuw">LabVIEW and Data Acquisition Seminar</A> 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. Take an in-depth look at the graphical programming language inherent to LabVIEW. This seminar covers LabVIEW, an industry-standard virtual instrumentation software, and data acquisition using LabVIEW. Take this opportunity to learn more about graphical programming and the future of virtual instrumentation.Agenda:<UL> <LI> <DIV align=left>Simple data acquisition using LabVIEW (analog I/O and digital I/O) </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Signal conditioning (amplification, filtering, excitation, isolation, linearization, etc.) </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Monitor and control your LabVIEW application over the Web </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Publish live data over the Internet </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Preview of instrument control using LabVIEW (IEEE 488 industry standard) </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Find out the new features of LabVIEW 7 Express </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Learn new technologies such as PXI and FieldPoint </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Hear an overview of companion products that extend the functionality of LabVIEW</DIV></LI></UL>National Instruments seminars are complimentary, but seating is limited. For reservations, directions, or for more information, <A href="http://www.ni.com/seminars/usa.htm">click here</A>, or send e-mail to: <A href="mailto:ni.register@ni.com">ni.register@ni.com</A>, or call (888) 444-3539.Please extend this invitation to your colleagues.Call or e-mail your local NI technical engineer representative to arrange a visit or schedule a customized onsite consultation.<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> Steve Caton - Southern Florida/Panhandle (954) 885-4881, <A href="mailto:steve.caton@ni.com">steve.caton@ni.com</A></BLOCKQUOTE>Best regards,Lisa Turner Seminar Coordinator National Instruments (512) 683-9466P.S. Don't miss Automated Test Summit 2004 in Orlando on Thursday, April 29th! At this one-day event, National Instruments and distinguished industry partners will present technical training and demonstrations on leading-edge automated test strategies and developments. This event is complimentary, but seating is limited. <A href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex3nsc">Reserve your space today!</A><HR color=#aabed9 SIZE=1 border="0"> Copyright 2004 National Instruments Corporation. All rights reserved. If you do not wish to receive e-mail from National Instruments, please visit: <A href="http://www.ni.com/remove">ni.com/remove</A>11500 N. Mopac Expy, Austin, TX 78759 attn: Data Integrity<IMG src="http://sine.ni.com/niproxy/amfTrackImg.jsp?request_id=ZG5C70B303CC6193BF4BFB40561ADE9C4571E57D782D6492985A61CAF5B67BC40B4263C5CEB272A47DB528014AF4022BDF6E&customer_id=ZGD46F569AC7ADADDB827A3F9F03DC2B9A750E97EA3EFB945F4527B5B0F5BA5A6847077C42943E4C2B6138DE978BEB5A37B0&customer_type=ZG1958276C4E77B7AC65D4CCFA7F2A1820E7CC966D912FC995AD9D06F02BEFF8CBBB68704A227F9B16FB13EAB4B5FE9449B0&list_id=ZG2F8646A85B259FFAE04B65DE86FE5E5FE821C5AC2B00361A65B2DD2AEABF7C87706EAF5F24175740799D3BBD798E5240B0&file_name=jtfutrpx.gif" NOSEND="1"> --- You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
Like • Show 0 Likes0
Actions
gurday Mar 30, 2004 7:20 AM
Mark Correct
Correct Answer
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR></HEAD><BODY><DIV>Hello VRFers:</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Perhaps this type of emails from NI are the reason why some people are defecting to labview...Marketing in Agilent has never been strong..great products...poor marketing/customer relationship. Other than VEE days I have not seen any action from Agilent's marketing department in terms of events, seminars, webinars etc...meanwhile I get at least one of this invitations a month...by the way with different topics every month...I have resisted so far...but you know...curiosity kill the cat, so may be one day I'll sign up, go and "VEE" killed by curiosity...</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Sad day in deed!!!</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>G</DIV><DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: |Lisa Turner [mailto:lisa.turner@ni.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:55 PM To: Gonzalo Subject: Sign up today for the NI LabVIEW/Data Acquisition seminar in Ft Lauderdale. </DIV><IMG src="http://www.ni.com/images/email/us/metal_full.gif" NOSEND="1">Dear Gonzalo Urday:Sign up today for the <A href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex7kuw">LabVIEW and Data Acquisition Seminar</A> in Fort Lauderdale on Wednesday, March 31.This seminar is complimentary, but space is limited. For directions, to register, or for other seminars in your area, <A href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/exxzci">click here</A>.Location/Date Information: <A href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex78nj">Fort Lauderdale, FL</A> Sheraton Suites Cypress Creek 555 NW 62nd Street (954) 772-5400 Wednesday, March 31, 2004<A href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex7kuw">LabVIEW and Data Acquisition Seminar</A> 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. Take an in-depth look at the graphical programming language inherent to LabVIEW. This seminar covers LabVIEW, an industry-standard virtual instrumentation software, and data acquisition using LabVIEW. Take this opportunity to learn more about graphical programming and the future of virtual instrumentation.Agenda:<UL> <LI> <DIV align=left>Simple data acquisition using LabVIEW (analog I/O and digital I/O) </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Signal conditioning (amplification, filtering, excitation, isolation, linearization, etc.) </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Monitor and control your LabVIEW application over the Web </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Publish live data over the Internet </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Preview of instrument control using LabVIEW (IEEE 488 industry standard) </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Find out the new features of LabVIEW 7 Express </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Learn new technologies such as PXI and FieldPoint </DIV> <LI> <DIV align=left>Hear an overview of companion products that extend the functionality of LabVIEW</DIV></LI></UL>National Instruments seminars are complimentary, but seating is limited. For reservations, directions, or for more information, <A href="http://www.ni.com/seminars/usa.htm">click here</A>, or send e-mail to: <A href="mailto:ni.register@ni.com">ni.register@ni.com</A>, or call (888) 444-3539.Please extend this invitation to your colleagues.Call or e-mail your local NI technical engineer representative to arrange a visit or schedule a customized onsite consultation.<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> Steve Caton - Southern Florida/Panhandle (954) 885-4881, <A href="mailto:steve.caton@ni.com">steve.caton@ni.com</A></BLOCKQUOTE>Best regards,Lisa Turner Seminar Coordinator National Instruments (512) 683-9466P.S. Don't miss Automated Test Summit 2004 in Orlando on Thursday, April 29th! At this one-day event, National Instruments and distinguished industry partners will present technical training and demonstrations on leading-edge automated test strategies and developments. This event is complimentary, but seating is limited. <A href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex3nsc">Reserve your space today!</A><HR color=#aabed9 SIZE=1 border="0"> Copyright 2004 National Instruments Corporation. All rights reserved. If you do not wish to receive e-mail from National Instruments, please visit: <A href="http://www.ni.com/remove">ni.com/remove</A>11500 N. Mopac Expy, Austin, TX 78759 attn: Data Integrity<IMG src="http://sine.ni.com/niproxy/amfTrackImg.jsp?request_id=ZG5C70B303CC6193BF4BFB40561ADE9C4571E57D782D6492985A61CAF5B67BC40B4263C5CEB272A47DB528014AF4022BDF6E&customer_id=ZGD46F569AC7ADADDB827A3F9F03DC2B9A750E97EA3EFB945F4527B5B0F5BA5A6847077C42943E4C2B6138DE978BEB5A37B0&customer_type=ZG1958276C4E77B7AC65D4CCFA7F2A1820E7CC966D912FC995AD9D06F02BEFF8CBBB68704A227F9B16FB13EAB4B5FE9449B0&list_id=ZG2F8646A85B259FFAE04B65DE86FE5E5FE821C5AC2B00361A65B2DD2AEABF7C87706EAF5F24175740799D3BBD798E5240B0&file_name=jtfutrpx.gif" NOSEND="1"> --- You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
Like • Show 0 Likes0
Actions
hansolofalcon Mar 30, 2004 8:43 AM
Mark Correct
Correct Answer
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><html><head><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue><div class=Section1>Hello from Gregg C LevineNormally I would not comment on this issue, but as it happens, I getthose too. Gonzalo, I’ve been to those, I’ve been to theirseminars, and a couple of one day seminars, for both products, under thatumbrella. I had numerous questions, and as it happens, only one half of them wereanswerable. And that’s the same one I was at, last year. I’ll leaveoff my personal opinions about it. As it happens the current release of LabView, can’t hold any formof an illumination device to VEE, all releases. Each time I’ve trieddoing something with LabView, I’ve found problems with it. Or it foundproblems with me. However, with VEE, each time I’ve done something withit, the only problem I had was with the serial dataflow process. Everythingelse worked. So, with all do respect to everyone on the list who does use both,and is moderately successful, I disagree with NI. Agilent still holds all thecards, with me. However, at the VEE days event last year, everything wasanswered, and a few I didn’t even have time to ask. -------------------
Gregg C Levine<fontsize=4> hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenob<spanstyle='font-size:14.0pt'>i
"Use the Force, Luke<fontsize=4>." Obi-Wan Kenob<spanstyle='font-size:14.0pt'>i<div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>-----Original Message-----
From: Gonzalo Urday<fontsize=2 face=Tahoma>[mailto:gurday@negenex.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:21 PM
To: VRF<fontsize=2 face=Tahoma>
Subject: [vrf] SAD DAY <div>Hello VRFers:</div><div> </div><div>Perhaps this type of emails fromNI are the reason why some people are defecting to labview...Marketing inAgilent has never been strong..great products...poor marketing/customerrelationship. Other than VEE days I have not seen any action from Agilent'smarketing department in terms of events, seminars, webinars etc...meanwhile Iget at least one of this invitations a month...by the way with different topicsevery month...I have resisted so far...but you know...curiosity kill the cat,so may be one day I'll sign up, go and "VEE" killed by curiosity...</div><div> </div><div>Sad day in deed!!!</div><div> </div><div>G</div><spanstyle='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----
From: |Lisa Turner<fontsize=2 face=Tahoma>[mailto:lisa.turner@ni.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:55 PM
To: Gonzalo<fontsize=2 face=Tahoma>
Subject: Sign up today for the NILabVIEW/Data Acquisition seminar in Ft Lauderdale<fontsize=2 face=Tahoma>.<imgwidth=760 height=50 src="http://www.ni.com/images/email/us/metal_full.gif"NOSEND=1>Dear Gonzalo Urday:Sign uptoday for the <a href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex7kuw"><spanstyle='font-weight:bold'>LabVIEW and Data Acquisition Seminar</a> inFort Lauderdale on Wednesday, March 31.Thisseminar is complimentary, but space is limited. For directions, to register, orfor other seminars in your area, <ahref="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/exxzci">click here</a>.Location/Date Information:
<a href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex78nj">FortLauderdale, FL</a>
Sheraton Suites Cypress Creek
555 NW 62nd Street
(954) 772-5400
Wednesday, March 31, 2004<ahref="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex7kuw"><spanstyle='font-weight:bold'>LabVIEW and Data Acquisition Seminar</a><spanstyle='font-weight:bold'>
8:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.
Take an in-depth look at the graphical programming language inherent toLabVIEW. This seminar covers LabVIEW, an industry-standard virtualinstrumentation software, and data acquisition using LabVIEW. Take thisopportunity to learn more about graphical programming and the future of virtualinstrumentation.Agenda:<ul type=disc> <li class=MsoNormal>Simple data acquisition using LabVIEW (analog I/O and digital I/O) </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Signal conditioning (amplification, filtering, excitation, isolation, linearization, etc.) </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Monitor and control your LabVIEW application over the Web </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Publish live data over the Internet </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Preview of instrument control using LabVIEW (IEEE 488 industry standard) </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Find out the new features of LabVIEW 7 Express </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Learn new technologies such as PXI and FieldPoint </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Hear an overview of companion products that extend the functionality of LabVIEW</li></ul>NationalInstruments seminars are complimentary, but seating is limited. Forreservations, directions, or for more information, <ahref="http://www.ni.com/seminars/usa.htm">click here</a>, or send e-mail to: <ahref="mailto:ni.register@ni.com">ni.register@ni.com</a>, or call (888)444-3539.Pleaseextend this invitation to your colleagues.Callor e-mail your local NI technical engineer representative to arrange a visit orschedule a customized onsite consultation.<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>Steve Caton - Southern Florida/Panhandle
(954) 885-4881, <a href="mailto:steve.caton@ni.com">steve.caton@ni.com</a></blockquote>Bestregards,Lisa Turner
Seminar Coordinator
National Instruments
(512) 683-9466P.S. Don't miss Automated Test Summit 2004 in Orlandoon Thursday, April 29th! At this one-day event, National Instruments anddistinguished industry partners will present technical training anddemonstrations on leading-edge automated test strategies and developments. This event is complimentary, but seating is limited. <ahref="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex3nsc">Reserve your spacetoday!</a> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aabed9" align=center></div>Copyright2004 National Instruments Corporation. All rights reserved.If you do not wish to receive e-mail from NationalInstruments, please visit: <a href="http://www.ni.com/remove"><fontsize=2 face="TIMES_NEW_ROMAN">ni.com/remove</a><spanstyle='font-size:10.0pt'>11500 N. Mopac Expy<spanstyle='font-size:10.0pt'>, Austin, TX 78759attn: Data Integrity<imgborder=0 width=1 height=1src="http://sine.ni.com/niproxy/amfTrackImg.jsp?request_id=ZG5C70B303CC6193BF4BFB40561ADE9C4571E57D782D6492985A61CAF5B67BC40B4263C5CEB272A47DB528014AF4022BDF6E&customer_id=ZGD46F569AC7ADADDB827A3F9F03DC2B9A750E97EA3EFB945F4527B5B0F5BA5A6847077C42943E4C2B6138DE978BEB5A37B0&customer_type=ZG1958276C4E77B7AC65D4CCFA7F2A1820E7CC966D912FC995AD9D06F02BEFF8CBBB68704A227F9B16FB13EAB4B5FE9449B0&list_id=ZG2F8646A85B259FFAE04B65DE86FE5E5FE821C5AC2B00361A65B2DD2AEABF7C87706EAF5F24175740799D3BBD798E5240B0&file_name=jtfutrpx.gif"NOSEND=1>---
You are currently subscribed to vrf as: hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
To subscribe send a blank email to"join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
To unsubscribe send a blank email to"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com".
If you need help with the mailing list send a message to"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". </div></div>--- You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></html>
Like • Show 0 Likes0
Actions
hansolofalcon Mar 30, 2004 8:43 AM
Mark Correct
Correct Answer
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><html><head><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue><div class=Section1>Hello from Gregg C LevineNormally I would not comment on this issue, but as it happens, I getthose too. Gonzalo, I’ve been to those, I’ve been to theirseminars, and a couple of one day seminars, for both products, under thatumbrella. I had numerous questions, and as it happens, only one half of them wereanswerable. And that’s the same one I was at, last year. I’ll leaveoff my personal opinions about it. As it happens the current release of LabView, can’t hold any formof an illumination device to VEE, all releases. Each time I’ve trieddoing something with LabView, I’ve found problems with it. Or it foundproblems with me. However, with VEE, each time I’ve done something withit, the only problem I had was with the serial dataflow process. Everythingelse worked. So, with all do respect to everyone on the list who does use both,and is moderately successful, I disagree with NI. Agilent still holds all thecards, with me. However, at the VEE days event last year, everything wasanswered, and a few I didn’t even have time to ask. -------------------
Gregg C Levine<fontsize=4> hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenob<spanstyle='font-size:14.0pt'>i
"Use the Force, Luke<fontsize=4>." Obi-Wan Kenob<spanstyle='font-size:14.0pt'>i<div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>-----Original Message-----
From: Gonzalo Urday<fontsize=2 face=Tahoma>[mailto:gurday@negenex.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:21 PM
To: VRF<fontsize=2 face=Tahoma>
Subject: [vrf] SAD DAY <div>Hello VRFers:</div><div> </div><div>Perhaps this type of emails fromNI are the reason why some people are defecting to labview...Marketing inAgilent has never been strong..great products...poor marketing/customerrelationship. Other than VEE days I have not seen any action from Agilent'smarketing department in terms of events, seminars, webinars etc...meanwhile Iget at least one of this invitations a month...by the way with different topicsevery month...I have resisted so far...but you know...curiosity kill the cat,so may be one day I'll sign up, go and "VEE" killed by curiosity...</div><div> </div><div>Sad day in deed!!!</div><div> </div><div>G</div><spanstyle='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----
From: |Lisa Turner<fontsize=2 face=Tahoma>[mailto:lisa.turner@ni.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:55 PM
To: Gonzalo<fontsize=2 face=Tahoma>
Subject: Sign up today for the NILabVIEW/Data Acquisition seminar in Ft Lauderdale<fontsize=2 face=Tahoma>.<imgwidth=760 height=50 src="http://www.ni.com/images/email/us/metal_full.gif"NOSEND=1>Dear Gonzalo Urday:Sign uptoday for the <a href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex7kuw"><spanstyle='font-weight:bold'>LabVIEW and Data Acquisition Seminar</a> inFort Lauderdale on Wednesday, March 31.Thisseminar is complimentary, but space is limited. For directions, to register, orfor other seminars in your area, <ahref="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/exxzci">click here</a>.Location/Date Information:
<a href="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex78nj">FortLauderdale, FL</a>
Sheraton Suites Cypress Creek
555 NW 62nd Street
(954) 772-5400
Wednesday, March 31, 2004<ahref="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex7kuw"><spanstyle='font-weight:bold'>LabVIEW and Data Acquisition Seminar</a><spanstyle='font-weight:bold'>
8:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.
Take an in-depth look at the graphical programming language inherent toLabVIEW. This seminar covers LabVIEW, an industry-standard virtualinstrumentation software, and data acquisition using LabVIEW. Take thisopportunity to learn more about graphical programming and the future of virtualinstrumentation.Agenda:<ul type=disc> <li class=MsoNormal>Simple data acquisition using LabVIEW (analog I/O and digital I/O) </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Signal conditioning (amplification, filtering, excitation, isolation, linearization, etc.) </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Monitor and control your LabVIEW application over the Web </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Publish live data over the Internet </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Preview of instrument control using LabVIEW (IEEE 488 industry standard) </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Find out the new features of LabVIEW 7 Express </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Learn new technologies such as PXI and FieldPoint </li> <li class=MsoNormal>Hear an overview of companion products that extend the functionality of LabVIEW</li></ul>NationalInstruments seminars are complimentary, but seating is limited. Forreservations, directions, or for more information, <ahref="http://www.ni.com/seminars/usa.htm">click here</a>, or send e-mail to: <ahref="mailto:ni.register@ni.com">ni.register@ni.com</a>, or call (888)444-3539.Pleaseextend this invitation to your colleagues.Callor e-mail your local NI technical engineer representative to arrange a visit orschedule a customized onsite consultation.<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>Steve Caton - Southern Florida/Panhandle
(954) 885-4881, <a href="mailto:steve.caton@ni.com">steve.caton@ni.com</a></blockquote>Bestregards,Lisa Turner
Seminar Coordinator
National Instruments
(512) 683-9466P.S. Don't miss Automated Test Summit 2004 in Orlandoon Thursday, April 29th! At this one-day event, National Instruments anddistinguished industry partners will present technical training anddemonstrations on leading-edge automated test strategies and developments. This event is complimentary, but seating is limited. <ahref="http://digital.ni.com/express.nsf/bycode/ex3nsc">Reserve your spacetoday!</a> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aabed9" align=center></div>Copyright2004 National Instruments Corporation. All rights reserved.If you do not wish to receive e-mail from NationalInstruments, please visit: <a href="http://www.ni.com/remove"><fontsize=2 face="TIMES_NEW_ROMAN">ni.com/remove</a><spanstyle='font-size:10.0pt'>11500 N. Mopac Expy<spanstyle='font-size:10.0pt'>, Austin, TX 78759attn: Data Integrity<imgborder=0 width=1 height=1src="http://sine.ni.com/niproxy/amfTrackImg.jsp?request_id=ZG5C70B303CC6193BF4BFB40561ADE9C4571E57D782D6492985A61CAF5B67BC40B4263C5CEB272A47DB528014AF4022BDF6E&customer_id=ZGD46F569AC7ADADDB827A3F9F03DC2B9A750E97EA3EFB945F4527B5B0F5BA5A6847077C42943E4C2B6138DE978BEB5A37B0&customer_type=ZG1958276C4E77B7AC65D4CCFA7F2A1820E7CC966D912FC995AD9D06F02BEFF8CBBB68704A227F9B16FB13EAB4B5FE9449B0&list_id=ZG2F8646A85B259FFAE04B65DE86FE5E5FE821C5AC2B00361A65B2DD2AEABF7C87706EAF5F24175740799D3BBD798E5240B0&file_name=jtfutrpx.gif"NOSEND=1>---
You are currently subscribed to vrf as: hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net
To subscribe send a blank email to"join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
To unsubscribe send a blank email to"leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com".
If you need help with the mailing list send a message to"owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". </div></div>--- You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></html>
Like • Show 0 Likes0
Actions
sboerman Mar 30, 2004 3:24 PM
Mark Correct
Correct Answer

Hello Agilent, 
Why not include an evaluation copy of VEE with each of Agilents industry leading instruments sold, along with instrument specific programming examples and documentation ? Even with new instruments I find that VEE support is poor at best and I spend much time trying to convert some of the HP Basic examples in the doc packages to a usable VEE format. A few well written examples with screen captures, active-x , dotnet etc. could go a long way in the promotion of VEE and maybe help sell a few instruments also.

Steve Boerman
Sr. Design Engineer
Skyworks Solutions Inc

<table width=100%><tr valign=top><td><td>Ronald.Padua@temic.com03/31/04 04:26 AM
Please respond to Ronald.Padua
<td> 
 To: VRF |vrf@agilent.com>
 cc: 
 Subject: [vrf] RE: SAD DAY</table>


Hello Agilent,

Agilent products including VEE are suppose to help us build good business. True, I've seen both Agilent software and hardware always a product to beat.

But with VEE, my observation is that Agilent has a very good product being sold through a very poor marketing approach. Marketing people at Agilent should do more work to sell VEE and not just let the Agilent name do the marketing. Whenever I offer services, I collide with people using CVI/Labview and more often I see potential customer tend to use NI hardware just because NI users have more "Prints and Advertisements" to show that they are "more" popular. During product presentation, here's how each side sounds:

NI proponent:

"Their SERVICES powered by CVI/LABVIEW".

Vee proponent:

"VEE (From AGILENT - I have to mention HP/Agilent + blah,blah...) powered by our SERVICES"

"Our SERVICES powered by VEE (From AGILENT - I really really have to mention HP/Agilent + blah,blah...)"

It's a pity that we still have to focus marketing for VEE when their are Agilent people who are supposed to do that. Next time, please give more pages on your product catalogs/brochures for VEE. Honestly, their is nothing to be ashamed of about VEE because I (and other users) can attest that they do and finish more work with VEE than CVI/Labview.

Regards.

Ronald --- You are currently subscribed to vrf as: steve.boerman@skyworksinc.com To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".

---You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.comTo subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
Like • Show 0 Likes0
Actions
sboerman Mar 30, 2004 3:24 PM
Mark Correct
Correct Answer

Hello Agilent, 
Why not include an evaluation copy of VEE with each of Agilents industry leading instruments sold, along with instrument specific programming examples and documentation ? Even with new instruments I find that VEE support is poor at best and I spend much time trying to convert some of the HP Basic examples in the doc packages to a usable VEE format. A few well written examples with screen captures, active-x , dotnet etc. could go a long way in the promotion of VEE and maybe help sell a few instruments also.

Steve Boerman
Sr. Design Engineer
Skyworks Solutions Inc

<table width=100%><tr valign=top><td><td>Ronald.Padua@temic.com03/31/04 04:26 AM
Please respond to Ronald.Padua
<td> 
 To: VRF |vrf@agilent.com>
 cc: 
 Subject: [vrf] RE: SAD DAY</table>


Hello Agilent,

Agilent products including VEE are suppose to help us build good business. True, I've seen both Agilent software and hardware always a product to beat.

But with VEE, my observation is that Agilent has a very good product being sold through a very poor marketing approach. Marketing people at Agilent should do more work to sell VEE and not just let the Agilent name do the marketing. Whenever I offer services, I collide with people using CVI/Labview and more often I see potential customer tend to use NI hardware just because NI users have more "Prints and Advertisements" to show that they are "more" popular. During product presentation, here's how each side sounds:

NI proponent:

"Their SERVICES powered by CVI/LABVIEW".

Vee proponent:

"VEE (From AGILENT - I have to mention HP/Agilent + blah,blah...) powered by our SERVICES"

"Our SERVICES powered by VEE (From AGILENT - I really really have to mention HP/Agilent + blah,blah...)"

It's a pity that we still have to focus marketing for VEE when their are Agilent people who are supposed to do that. Next time, please give more pages on your product catalogs/brochures for VEE. Honestly, their is nothing to be ashamed of about VEE because I (and other users) can attest that they do and finish more work with VEE than CVI/Labview.

Regards.

Ronald --- You are currently subscribed to vrf as: steve.boerman@skyworksinc.com To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".

---You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.comTo subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
Like • Show 0 Likes0
Actions
ashley Mar 30, 2004 4:53 PM
Mark Correct
Correct Answer
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff><DIV>Hi,</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I am only a miniscule operation, but I get asked about Labview and " what is VEE? '. However, when it comes to the crunch, a customer just wants a reliable system, which can be upgraded as necessary, the method of achieving it does not usually matter to them. One initial problem is that not everyone within the industrial sector, which I deal with, have heard of Agilent or realize the size of it's operations!</DIV><DIV> But if you mention HP and the origins of VEE, it usually sells it to them. People in the market I deal with respect the HP name a great deal. Moreover, they are less likely to have heard of NI over here. One of my main reasons for staying with VEE is that the VEE5 copy I bought still (more or less) does everything I require of it. Once I discovered the VRF I felt that I was amongst friends and true professionals, who have always 100% pointed me in the right direction to solve my problems. What other 'user' group can you say that about?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>As I have said before I think we (and Agilent) owe a lot to the likes of Shawn and Mike (to name but two).</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>P.S. I have not seen anything from Shawn recently - hope all is OK</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Ashley.</DIV><DIV> </DIV>--- You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
Like • Show 0 Likes0
Actions
ashley Mar 30, 2004 4:53 PM
Mark Correct
Correct Answer
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff><DIV>Hi,</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I am only a miniscule operation, but I get asked about Labview and " what is VEE? '. However, when it comes to the crunch, a customer just wants a reliable system, which can be upgraded as necessary, the method of achieving it does not usually matter to them. One initial problem is that not everyone within the industrial sector, which I deal with, have heard of Agilent or realize the size of it's operations!</DIV><DIV> But if you mention HP and the origins of VEE, it usually sells it to them. People in the market I deal with respect the HP name a great deal. Moreover, they are less likely to have heard of NI over here. One of my main reasons for staying with VEE is that the VEE5 copy I bought still (more or less) does everything I require of it. Once I discovered the VRF I felt that I was amongst friends and true professionals, who have always 100% pointed me in the right direction to solve my problems. What other 'user' group can you say that about?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>As I have said before I think we (and Agilent) owe a lot to the likes of Shawn and Mike (to name but two).</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>P.S. I have not seen anything from Shawn recently - hope all is OK</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Ashley.</DIV><DIV> </DIV>--- You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
Like • Show 0 Likes0
Actions
VRFuser Mar 31, 2004 1:26 AM
Mark Correct
Correct Answer

Hello Agilent,

Agilent products including VEE are suppose to help us build good business. True, I've seen both Agilent software and hardware always a product to beat.

But with VEE, my observation is that Agilent has a very good product being sold through a very poor marketing approach. Marketing people at Agilent should do more work to sell VEE and not just let the Agilent name do the marketing. Whenever I offer services, I collide with people using CVI/Labview and more often I see potential customer tend to use NI hardware just because NI users have more "Prints and Advertisements" to show that they are "more" popular. During product presentation, here's how each side sounds:

NI proponent:

"Their SERVICES powered by CVI/LABVIEW".

Vee proponent:

"VEE (From AGILENT - I have to mention HP/Agilent + blah,blah...) powered by our SERVICES"

"Our SERVICES powered by VEE (From AGILENT - I really really have to mention HP/Agilent + blah,blah...)"

It's a pity that we still have to focus marketing for VEE when their are Agilent people who are supposed to do that. Next time, please give more pages on your product catalogs/brochures for VEE. Honestly, their is nothing to be ashamed of about VEE because I (and other users) can attest that they do and finish more work with VEE than CVI/Labview.

Regards.

Ronald ---You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.comTo subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
Like • Show 0 Likes0
Actions
VRFuser Mar 31, 2004 8:07 PM
Mark Correct
Correct Answer
> P.S. I have not seen anything from Shawn recently - hope all is OK

Yes, fine. Well, relatively anyway. Apparently getting a phone line
installed is not a simple matter of telling the phone co. you want a phone.
Meanwhile my DSL modem sits there and whispers, "no, you really don't want a
cable modem..."

Also, Ashley, I don't really want to let the cat out of the bag but I'm
exploring a certain suggestion you made a while back. I'm not promising
anything but I may have news by mid-summer.
-SHAWN-

---
You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com
To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com".
If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".
Like • Show 0 Likes0
Actions

vrf SAD DAY

Outcomes

Related Content

Recommended Content