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Scott,

How soon for VEE 7?

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jay.johannes Feb 18, 2004 5:22 PM
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We do a fair amount of CVI work. Feel free to contact us. CVI, like
everything else has its good and bad points. It is not as easy to compare
wit VEE as LabVIEW as CVI is a procedural based set of libraries built on
top of C.

Jay Nemeth-Johannes
Complete Test
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>
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>
>
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> VRF,
>
> I work in a 7 person test engineering department that uses a variety of SW
> programs for development (VEE, VB, C). My preference is VEE but my
> supervisor wants us to standarize on one software platform. The one he
> wants us to use is LabWindows/CVI. None of us have any experience with
> LW/CVI, though, so I was wondering if anyone here in VEE World did? I'd
> like to prepare a defense of VEE, and wondered if anyone could offer any
> compare/contrast information for me. Seriously, I welcome honest
> opinions,
> good or bad. If you wish to keep your opinion/experiences private, please
> email me directly.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tom Daniels
> Test Engineer
> The Morey Corporation
> 100 Morey Drive
> Woodridge, IL 60517
> T: (630) 754-2256
> F: (630) 754-2656
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VRFuser Feb 18, 2004 5:28 PM
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> The one he wants us to use is LabWindows/CVI.

LabWindows and not LabVIEW?
Hmmm. Curious.

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tdaniels Feb 18, 2004 6:13 PM
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VRF,

I work in a 7 person test engineering department that uses a variety of SW
programs for development (VEE, VB, C). My preference is VEE but my
supervisor wants us to standarize on one software platform. The one he
wants us to use is LabWindows/CVI. None of us have any experience with
LW/CVI, though, so I was wondering if anyone here in VEE World did? I'd
like to prepare a defense of VEE, and wondered if anyone could offer any
compare/contrast information for me. Seriously, I welcome honest opinions,
good or bad. If you wish to keep your opinion/experiences private, please
email me directly.

Best Regards,

Tom Daniels
Test Engineer
The Morey Corporation
100 Morey Drive
Woodridge, IL 60517
T: (630) 754-2256
F: (630) 754-2656
tdaniels@moreycorp.com

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jay.johannes Feb 18, 2004 7:37 PM
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Well, even NI is de-emphasizing CVI these days and pushing LabVIEW. They
are also pushing Measurement Studio as the CVI replacement. Measurement
Studio is basically a set of GUI tools that sits on top of Visual Studio.

I would also agree with Bill that changing to yet another ADE is crazy. If
you must go to a procedural language, I would recommend VB, possibly using
the NI Measurement Studio for fancier GUI.

Jay Nemeth-Johannes
Complete Test
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill.ossmann@philips.com [mailto:bill.ossmann@philips.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:26 AM
> To: VRF
> Subject: [vrf] Re: LabWindows/CVI Bashing Opportunity
>
>
>
>
>
> So the boss wants to standardize on a platform that isn't one of the three
> the group already uses!?? Then he'll wonder why productivity suddenly
> drops.
> --
> Bill Ossmann
> Philips Ultrasound
> e-mail: bill.ossmann@philips.com
>
>
>
> VRF,
>
> I work in a 7 person test engineering department that uses a variety of SW
> programs for development (VEE, VB, C). My preference is VEE but my
> supervisor wants us to standarize on one software platform. The one he
> wants us to use is LabWindows/CVI. None of us have any experience with
> LW/CVI, though, so I was wondering if anyone here in VEE World did? I'd
> like to prepare a defense of VEE, and wondered if anyone could offer any
> compare/contrast information for me. Seriously, I welcome honest
> opinions,
> good or bad. If you wish to keep your opinion/experiences private, please
> email me directly.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tom Daniels
> Test Engineer
> The Morey Corporation
> 100 Morey Drive
> Woodridge, IL 60517
> T: (630) 754-2256
> F: (630) 754-2656
> tdaniels@moreycorp.com
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VRFuser Feb 18, 2004 7:51 PM
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I would love to see you continue to use VEE, but if not then I would
recommend the T&M Programmers Toolkit for Visual Studio .NET. Gives
great T&M functionality to VS.NET. Fully integrated. Has an excellent
API (DirectIO) for talking to instruments. Has a cool wrapper for
talking to existing VEE programs. More details here:
www.agilent.comfinddotnet

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Nemeth-Johannes [mailto:jay.johannes@completetest.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:37 AM
To: PDL-LISTS,VRF (A-Lists,unix1)
Subject: [vrf] Re: LabWindows/CVI Bashing Opportunity

Well, even NI is de-emphasizing CVI these days and pushing LabVIEW.
They
are also pushing Measurement Studio as the CVI replacement. Measurement
Studio is basically a set of GUI tools that sits on top of Visual
Studio.

I would also agree with Bill that changing to yet another ADE is crazy.
If
you must go to a procedural language, I would recommend VB, possibly
using
the NI Measurement Studio for fancier GUI.

Jay Nemeth-Johannes
Complete Test
720 SW 14th Street
Loveland, Colorado 80537

www.completetest.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill.ossmann@philips.com [mailto:bill.ossmann@philips.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:26 AM
> To: VRF
> Subject: [vrf] Re: LabWindows/CVI Bashing Opportunity
>
>
>
>
>
> So the boss wants to standardize on a platform that isn't one of the
three
> the group already uses!?? Then he'll wonder why productivity suddenly
> drops.
> --
> Bill Ossmann
> Philips Ultrasound
> e-mail: bill.ossmann@philips.com
>
>
>
> VRF,
>
> I work in a 7 person test engineering department that uses a variety
of SW
> programs for development (VEE, VB, C). My preference is VEE but
my
> supervisor wants us to standarize on one software platform. The one
he
> wants us to use is LabWindows/CVI. None of us have any experience
with
> LW/CVI, though, so I was wondering if anyone here in VEE World did?
I'd
> like to prepare a defense of VEE, and wondered if anyone could offer
any
> compare/contrast information for me. Seriously, I welcome honest
> opinions,
> good or bad. If you wish to keep your opinion/experiences private,
please
> email me directly.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tom Daniels
> Test Engineer
> The Morey Corporation
> 100 Morey Drive
> Woodridge, IL 60517
> T: (630) 754-2256
> F: (630) 754-2656
> tdaniels@moreycorp.com
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bill.ossmann Feb 18, 2004 9:25 PM
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So the boss wants to standardize on a platform that isn't one of the three
the group already uses!?? Then he'll wonder why productivity suddenly
drops.
--
Bill Ossmann
Philips Ultrasound
e-mail: bill.ossmann@philips.com

VRF,

I work in a 7 person test engineering department that uses a variety of SW
programs for development (VEE, VB, C). My preference is VEE but my
supervisor wants us to standarize on one software platform. The one he
wants us to use is LabWindows/CVI. None of us have any experience with
LW/CVI, though, so I was wondering if anyone here in VEE World did? I'd
like to prepare a defense of VEE, and wondered if anyone could offer any
compare/contrast information for me. Seriously, I welcome honest opinions,
good or bad. If you wish to keep your opinion/experiences private, please
email me directly.

Best Regards,

Tom Daniels
Test Engineer
The Morey Corporation
100 Morey Drive
Woodridge, IL 60517
T: (630) 754-2256
F: (630) 754-2656
tdaniels@moreycorp.com

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tdaniels Feb 18, 2004 9:26 PM
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Thanks to all, so far, for your input. I really appreciate it and am
looking for more, if anyone else wants to chime in.

Ken,
I have a couple current test set designs that are almost through the quote
approval stage. So when the funding gets freed up (within the next week),
I planned to order a new copy of VEE with Toolkit (Test Developers Bundle
(W1140A-DEV). I talked my supervisor into that because I need to turn the
test sets quickly, so want to use what I am familiar/comfortable with. I
also want to get the 7.0 upgrade when it comes out! Would that bundle give
me the best solution from agilent today? My job is to produce automated
test sets for an in house production environment. The DUT's are fairly
complex engine control modules with lots of inputs, outputs and
communication interfaces.

Best Regards,

Tom Daniels
Test Engineer
The Morey Corporation
100 Morey Drive
Woodridge, IL 60517
T: (630) 754-2256
F: (630) 754-2656
tdaniels@moreycorp.com


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I would love to see you continue to use VEE, but if not then I would
recommend the T&M Programmers Toolkit for Visual Studio .NET. Gives
great T&M functionality to VS.NET. Fully integrated. Has an excellent
API (DirectIO) for talking to instruments. Has a cool wrapper for
talking to existing VEE programs. More details here:
www.agilent.comfinddotnet

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Nemeth-Johannes [mailto:jay.johannes@completetest.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:37 AM
To: PDL-LISTS,VRF (A-Lists,unix1)
Subject: [vrf] Re: LabWindows/CVI Bashing Opportunity

Well, even NI is de-emphasizing CVI these days and pushing LabVIEW.
They
are also pushing Measurement Studio as the CVI replacement. Measurement
Studio is basically a set of GUI tools that sits on top of Visual
Studio.

I would also agree with Bill that changing to yet another ADE is crazy.
If
you must go to a procedural language, I would recommend VB, possibly
using
the NI Measurement Studio for fancier GUI.

Jay Nemeth-Johannes
Complete Test
720 SW 14th Street
Loveland, Colorado 80537

www.completetest.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill.ossmann@philips.com [mailto:bill.ossmann@philips.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:26 AM
> To: VRF
> Subject: [vrf] Re: LabWindows/CVI Bashing Opportunity
>
>
>
>
>
> So the boss wants to standardize on a platform that isn't one of the
three
> the group already uses!?? Then he'll wonder why productivity suddenly
> drops.
> --
> Bill Ossmann
> Philips Ultrasound
> e-mail: bill.ossmann@philips.com
>
>
>
> VRF,
>
> I work in a 7 person test engineering department that uses a variety
of SW
> programs for development (VEE, VB, C). My preference is VEE but
my
> supervisor wants us to standarize on one software platform. The one
he
> wants us to use is LabWindows/CVI. None of us have any experience
with
> LW/CVI, though, so I was wondering if anyone here in VEE World did?
I'd
> like to prepare a defense of VEE, and wondered if anyone could offer
any
> compare/contrast information for me. Seriously, I welcome honest
> opinions,
> good or bad. If you wish to keep your opinion/experiences private,
please
> email me directly.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tom Daniels
> Test Engineer
> The Morey Corporation
> 100 Morey Drive
> Woodridge, IL 60517
> T: (630) 754-2256
> F: (630) 754-2656
> tdaniels@moreycorp.com
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willie.kiely Feb 19, 2004 12:12 PM
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I guess look at the 7 people in your dept.......and have a vote!......also
keep in mind the avenues you intend looking at in the coming years, and what
experience is out there if you have to hire. I expect the training time for
a beginner will be a lot faster in Vee/LabView than CVI, especially if they
don't know C.

Again I would have thought NI would be trying to get people to transition
away from LabWindows/CVI to Labview. Is it not the case that PC's are
getting so fast anyway, the the requirement for C-code is no more for an
end-of-line programmer?. A lot of building blocks are now activeX.

I am in an unusual situation that my current project is all NI
cards....framegrabber, motion cards, DAC, IO.........but I'm still
programming in Vee using the NI measurementstudio, because I'm more
comfortable with it. Of course the want me to standardise in LabView aswell.

I think it's better to standardise on the structures to be used
first.....something like ActiveX. If you use or build activeX components,
then it doesn't matter whether its Vee, LabView, or VB that interfaces.

Labwindows/CVI....again.....hmmmmmm

Regards,

Of course, remember, I am not experienced with LabView, so cannot give a
full comparison. I have the full development package, but everytime I go at
it......it's foriegn to me.........having to get data input types
correct.....vee does this automatically.....such a pain.

-----Original Message-----
From: TDaniels@moreycorp.com [mailto:TDaniels@moreycorp.com]
Sent: 19 February 2004 16:14
To: VRF
Subject: [vrf] LabWindows/CVI Bashing Opportunity

VRF,

I work in a 7 person test engineering department that uses a variety of SW
programs for development (VEE, VB, C). My preference is VEE but my
supervisor wants us to standarize on one software platform. The one he
wants us to use is LabWindows/CVI. None of us have any experience with
LW/CVI, though, so I was wondering if anyone here in VEE World did? I'd
like to prepare a defense of VEE, and wondered if anyone could offer any
compare/contrast information for me. Seriously, I welcome honest opinions,
good or bad. If you wish to keep your opinion/experiences private, please
email me directly.

Best Regards,

Tom Daniels
Test Engineer
The Morey Corporation
100 Morey Drive
Woodridge, IL 60517
T: (630) 754-2256
F: (630) 754-2656
tdaniels@moreycorp.com

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VRFuser Feb 19, 2004 6:07 PM
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Hi Tom and vrf,

> I planned to order a new copy of VEE with Toolkit (Test
> Developers Bundle
> (W1140A-DEV). I talked my supervisor into that because I
> need to turn the
> test sets quickly, so want to use what I am
> familiar/comfortable with. I
> also want to get the 7.0 upgrade when it comes out! Would

Since the DEV is only $100 more than VEE alone, I'd get it if money isn't horribly tight. You'll of course get the 7.0 upgrade free when it's released if you buy DEV.

> that bundle give
> me the best solution from agilent today? My job is to
> produce automated
> test sets for an in house production environment. The DUT's
> are fairly
> complex engine control modules with lots of inputs, outputs and
> communication interfaces.

I think 7.0 will help you with this when it arrives, because it'll give you access from VEE to most of the "stuff" in Microsoft's .NET framework (probably including something to help with the comms interfaces, depending on which standards they are designed for), plus most of the .NET stuff you and others might produce in VS .NET or you might buy.

Note that you won't need to buy Microsoft's Visual Studio .NET in order to use .NET stuff from within VEE 7.0; everything you'll need to use existing .NET stuff will be shipped with VEE 7, including Microsoft's huge .NET Framework. But if you want to write your own code in C# or VB.NET, then you would use VS .NET together with the T&M Toolkit that's included in W1140A-DEV.

This combination would give you the ability to write T&M applications in the language/environment that makes most sense: if the task is suitable to VEE, write in VEE; if it wants a C-like or VB language (say for speed or because it's a port from C/C++ or VB6), write it in .NET. If it's a mix, call your .NET stuff from VEE with the new .NET capability, or call your library of VEE UserFunctions from your .NET apps with the existing T&M Toolkit VEE Wrappers facility.

In my experience working in software R&D for HP and Agilent I have often (usually) seen projects and products built in multiple languages and environments, much as I describe above. We do it that way because some things are better done in one language than another, and because we can reuse code written in the various languages for new products. There's even a bit of FORTRAN and some assembly language in VEE itself (though I'm told we later converted the FORTRAN to ObjC or something when we got the chance. But it certainly helped us get going quicker than if we had to translate to another language first). The right tools for the jobs.

By the way, there's quite a large number of COM (Component Object Model, not the serial port) libraries that VEE 6.x can't use because they are not the COM subspecies "ActiveX with a late-binding (IDispatch-based) interface". .NET includes a neat little tool (tlbimp) that wraps COM objects in a ".NET-ified" wrapper so they look like native .NET objects; of course tlbimp will be included with 7.0. So VEE 7.0 will be able to access most, if not all, of these non-ActiveX COM objects through the .NET feature talking to the tlbimp-generated wrapper.

Quite lot of tasty stuff will become available in 7.0 because of these capabilities. I finally got a chance to spend some quality time with the .NET stuff while helping with the 7.0 beta and it's really neat.

(Vrf-ers, tell me if this sounds too much like an advertisement and I'll stop. I don't want to spam vrf, but 7.0 will be *really* neat and most of you need to know about it. We're close enough to the 7.0 release now that we are allowed to get a bit deeper into these details)

Best Regards,

Scott Bayes
Software Technical Support

Agilent Technologies, Inc.
815 14th Street S.W.
Loveland, CO, U.S.A. 80537

970 679 3799 Tel
970 635 6867 Fax

> -----Original Message-----
> From: TDaniels@moreycorp.com [mailto:TDaniels@moreycorp.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:27 PM
> To: PDL-LISTS,VRF (A-Lists,unix1)
> Cc: COLASUONNO,KEN (A-Loveland,ex1)
> Subject: [vrf] Re: LabWindows/CVI Bashing Opportunity
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all, so far, for your input. I really appreciate it and am
> looking for more, if anyone else wants to chime in.
>
> Ken,
> I have a couple current test set designs that are almost
> through the quote
> approval stage. So when the funding gets freed up (within
> the next week),
> I planned to order a new copy of VEE with Toolkit (Test
> Developers Bundle
> (W1140A-DEV). I talked my supervisor into that because I
> need to turn the
> test sets quickly, so want to use what I am
> familiar/comfortable with. I
> also want to get the 7.0 upgrade when it comes out! Would
> that bundle give
> me the best solution from agilent today? My job is to
> produce automated
> test sets for an in house production environment. The DUT's
> are fairly
> complex engine control modules with lots of inputs, outputs and
> communication interfaces.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tom Daniels
> Test Engineer
> The Morey Corporation
> 100 Morey Drive
> Woodridge, IL 60517
> T: (630) 754-2256
> F: (630) 754-2656
> tdaniels@moreycorp.com
>
>
>
>
>              "COLASUONNO,KEN
>
>              (A-Loveland,ex1)"
>
>              <ken_colasuonno@a
>           To
>              gilent.com>               VRF <vrf@agilent.com>
>
>
>           cc
>              02/19/04 12:51 PM
>
>
>      Subject
>                                        [vrf] Re:
> LabWindows/CVI Bashing
>              Please respond to         Opportunity
>
>               "COLASUONNO,KEN
>
>              (A-Loveland,ex1)"
>
>              <ken_colasuonno@a
>
>                 gilent.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I would love to see you continue to use VEE, but if not then I would
> recommend the T&M Programmers Toolkit for Visual Studio .NET. Gives
> great T&M functionality to VS.NET. Fully integrated. Has an
> excellent
> API (DirectIO) for talking to instruments. Has a cool wrapper for
> talking to existing VEE programs. More details here:
> www.agilent.comfinddotnet
>
> Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Nemeth-Johannes [mailto:jay.johannes@completetest.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:37 AM
> To: PDL-LISTS,VRF (A-Lists,unix1)
> Subject: [vrf] Re: LabWindows/CVI Bashing Opportunity
>
> Well, even NI is de-emphasizing CVI these days and pushing LabVIEW.
> They
> are also pushing Measurement Studio as the CVI replacement.
> Measurement
> Studio is basically a set of GUI tools that sits on top of Visual
> Studio.
>
> I would also agree with Bill that changing to yet another ADE
> is crazy.
> If
> you must go to a procedural language, I would recommend VB, possibly
> using
> the NI Measurement Studio for fancier GUI.
>
> Jay Nemeth-Johannes
> Complete Test
> 720 SW 14th Street
> Loveland, Colorado 80537
>
> www.completetest.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bill.ossmann@philips.com [mailto:bill.ossmann@philips.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:26 AM
> > To: VRF
> > Subject: [vrf] Re: LabWindows/CVI Bashing Opportunity
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So the boss wants to standardize on a platform that isn't one of the
> three
> > the group already uses!?? Then he'll wonder why
> productivity suddenly
> > drops.
> > --
> > Bill Ossmann
> > Philips Ultrasound
> > e-mail: bill.ossmann@philips.com
> >
> >
> >
> > VRF,
> >
> > I work in a 7 person test engineering department that uses a variety
> of SW
> > programs for development (VEE, VB, C). My preference is
> VEE but
> my
> > supervisor wants us to standarize on one software platform. The one
> he
> > wants us to use is LabWindows/CVI. None of us have any experience
> with
> > LW/CVI, though, so I was wondering if anyone here in VEE World did?
> I'd
> > like to prepare a defense of VEE, and wondered if anyone
> could offer
> any
> > compare/contrast information for me. Seriously, I welcome honest
> > opinions,
> > good or bad. If you wish to keep your opinion/experiences private,
> please
> > email me directly.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Tom Daniels
> > Test Engineer
> > The Morey Corporation
> > 100 Morey Drive
> > Woodridge, IL 60517
> > T: (630) 754-2256
> > F: (630) 754-2656
> > tdaniels@moreycorp.com
> >
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brian_vee Feb 19, 2004 6:43 PM
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"Jay Nemeth-Johannes" <jay.johannes@completetest.com> wrote...
> Well, even NI is de-emphasizing CVI these days and pushing LabVIEW. They
> are also pushing Measurement Studio as the CVI replacement. Measurement
> Studio is basically a set of GUI tools that sits on top of Visual Studio.

     Hi, Jay. Sorry I didn't make it to Denver and see you again at the NI
Technical Symposium this past quarter. Maybe I'll see you at NIWeek in
Austin this August.
     I don't want to get into the VEE vs. CVI vs. LabVIEW vs. .Net religious
battle, but I do want to correct something you said.
     Measurement Studio is not a replacement for LabWindows/CVI. We view
CVI as a rock solid, easy to use, standard ANSI-C development environment.
Measurement Studio is a separate product that is an add-on to Visual Studio
that tracks Microsoft's latest development tools. Some people need the
stability of a C development environment and choose CVI. Some people need
the latest Microsoft tools and choose Measurement Studio. Both are valid
approaches, as is using a graphical programming language such as LabVIEW or
VEE.
     Further, we aren't "de-emphasizing CVI...and pushing LabVIEW". We
continue to invest in LabWindows/CVI, Measurement Studio and LabVIEW.

Brian Powell
LabVIEW R&D
National Instruments Corp.

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