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I'm using this method to create a Global Data Stream at the start of my
code. Of course, it has to be a big program with a lot of variables.
This will reduce your debug time if you were using a lot of global
variables. Another advantage is not to have to declare them.

Record on the Fly RULE!!

Han

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Yes you can, create the records on the fly wither you place a record into a
build data record input pin or build it using a container. The record will
always be global since it cannot be declared. Or at least I do not know how
to declare it.

rufus

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When you export a record as a container you can examine the format of the
vee record structure. If you now change the ascii file (the container)
according to the syntax you are able to reimport records as containters that
have records as record.fields. VEE itself has no possibility to create such
a structure but it can work with it.

best regards,

Georg

Georg Nied . Software-Development . Hansestr. 7 . 51149 Cologne . Germany
Tel: +49 (2203) 9770915 . Fax: +49 (2203) 9770924 . E-Mail:
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VRFuser Dec 7, 2004 7:18 PM
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> How can I retrieve VEE records from a HashTable?

Interesting idea. To complete this, all you need is the structure of the
System.Object[] elements retrieved. You can do this via System.Reflection.

Another idea is to define a common record format that contains sufficient
space for all potential elements - much like a C union. For a good example,
see the declaration of type VARIANT.

Another thing you can do is store records as Variants in a Variant array.
Each specific element of the array is Variant, allowing it to contain
different types or even compound types (i.e., specific record types).
-SHAWN-

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alexander.poulikakos Dec 8, 2004 6:58 AM
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VRFuser Dec 8, 2004 3:47 PM
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> If you are working on the array in a number of functions,
> you don't actually pass all the data on the pins, which
> may give you some speed and simplicity.

Oh god yeah. I wouldn't recommend passing large data structures on pins
anyway. The simple ChgBmp example runs much, much faster if one doesn't pass
the bitmap around on pins.

> (See attached file: variantRecord.vee)

Yup. That's the idea.
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VRFuser Dec 8, 2004 3:53 PM
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> If you are working on the array in a number of functions,
> you don't actually pass all the data on the pins, which
> may give you some speed and simplicity.

Oh god yeah. I wouldn't recommend passing large data structures on pins
anyway. The simple ChgBmp example runs much, much faster if one doesn't pass
the bitmap around on pins.

> (See attached file: variantRecord.vee)

Yup. That's the idea.
-SHAWN-

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lbill Dec 8, 2004 4:40 PM
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> Just converted the Records to Containers before adding them
> into the HashTable

Heck I didn't even think of that. Much easier!
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VRFuser Dec 8, 2004 7:20 PM
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> Just converted the Records to Containers before adding them
> into the HashTable

Heck I didn't even think of that. Much easier!
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VRFuser Dec 8, 2004 7:30 PM
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> I've always wondered what use to make of the containers :o)

Well they're a really cool curiosity. And of course there is the XML export
example that makes practical use of them but I personally don't think I've
ever used them for anything worth while.
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alexander.poulikakos Dec 9, 2004 12:42 AM
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Thanks for your answer :o)

> Interesting idea. To complete this, all you need is the structure of the
> System.Object[] elements retrieved. You can do this via System.Reflection.

How do I use the System.Reflection? Are there any examples available?

> Another thing you can do is store records as Variants in a Variant array.
> Each specific element of the array is Variant, allowing it to contain
> different types or even compound types (i.e., specific record types).

This sounds very interesting, but how do I initialize a Variant array?

Regards,
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Fessenden [mailto:shawn@testech-ltd.com]
Sent: den 8 december 2004 18:19
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Subject: [vrf] RE: HashTable with Records in it??

> How can I retrieve VEE records from a HashTable?

Interesting idea. To complete this, all you need is the structure of the
System.Object[] elements retrieved. You can do this via System.Reflection.

Another idea is to define a common record format that contains sufficient
space for all potential elements - much like a C union. For a good example,
see the declaration of type VARIANT.

Another thing you can do is store records as Variants in a Variant array.
Each specific element of the array is Variant, allowing it to contain
different types or even compound types (i.e., specific record types).
-SHAWN-

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VRFuser Dec 9, 2004 1:36 AM
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Never under-estimate the cool power of the container. If the data is staying within the VEE system, then dumping the data to file in container format is great in many cases. If I am having to accommodate calibration data in a test system, then dump all that data to file in container format (record of cal data with timestamps, cal data etc). Then when I need it again, just read from the file in container format. Takes away a few headaches. However, with big cal data arrays, ASCII files can get quite big. But... for most odd jobs of this ilk, containers rock!

Andy

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 09 December 2004 17:30
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Subject: [vrf] RE: HashTable with Records in it??

> I've always wondered what use to make of the containers :o)

Well they're a really cool curiosity. And of course there is the XML export
example that makes practical use of them but I personally don't think I've
ever used them for anything worth while.
-SHAWN-

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alexander.poulikakos Dec 9, 2004 8:39 AM
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I was able to make my original idea to work :o)
Just converted the Records to Containers before adding them into the HashTable,
and then unconvert the containers back to Records when you read from the HashTable.

Thanks for your help :o)

Regards,
Alex

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From: Shawn Fessenden [mailto:shawn@testech-ltd.com]
Sent: den 9 december 2004 14:54
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Subject: [vrf] RE: HashTable with Records in it??

> If you are working on the array in a number of functions,
> you don't actually pass all the data on the pins, which
> may give you some speed and simplicity.

Oh god yeah. I wouldn't recommend passing large data structures on pins
anyway. The simple ChgBmp example runs much, much faster if one doesn't pass
the bitmap around on pins.

> (See attached file: variantRecord.vee)

Yup. That's the idea.
-SHAWN-

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alexander.poulikakos Dec 9, 2004 8:44 AM
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alexander.poulikakos Dec 9, 2004 8:46 AM
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I've always wondered what use to make of the containers :o)

Reiner

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> Just converted the Records to Containers before adding them
> into the HashTable

Heck I didn't even think of that. Much easier!
-SHAWN-

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reiner.schlieker Dec 9, 2004 9:23 AM
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I've always wondered what use to make of the containers :o)

Reiner

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> Just converted the Records to Containers before adding them
> into the HashTable

Heck I didn't even think of that. Much easier!
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reiner.schlieker Dec 9, 2004 10:05 AM
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Well, maybe this is a naive question, because I'm not as familiar with
records as I should be (I got frustrated with their unflexibility earyly on,
and stopped using them. Now, I'm having a resurgence for their use in
bundling data) Anyway, my question is, what's the difference between
converting the record to a container and writing it, and writing the
dataset?

...Now, I just tried it: To String>container, to File>container, and to
Dataset. The last two look the same. The first is more readable, but
what's the advantage?

Reiner

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Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:36 PM
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Subject: [vrf] RE: HashTable with Records in it??

Never under-estimate the cool power of the container. If the data is
staying within the VEE system, then dumping the data to file in container
format is great in many cases. If I am having to accommodate calibration
data in a test system, then dump all that data to file in container format
(record of cal data with timestamps, cal data etc). Then when I need it
again, just read from the file in container format. Takes away a few
headaches. However, with big cal data arrays, ASCII files can get quite
big. But... for most odd jobs of this ilk, containers rock!

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Fessenden [mailto:shawn@testech-ltd.com]
Sent: 09 December 2004 17:30
To: VRF
Subject: [vrf] RE: HashTable with Records in it??

> I've always wondered what use to make of the containers :o)

Well they're a really cool curiosity. And of course there is the XML export
example that makes practical use of them but I personally don't think I've
ever used them for anything worth while.
-SHAWN-

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rsb Dec 9, 2004 10:09 AM
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"Schlieker, Reiner<reiner.schlieker@siemens.com> wrote:
> Well, maybe this is a naive question, because I'm not as familiar with
> records as I should be (I got frustrated with their unflexibility earyly on,
> and stopped using them. Now, I'm having a resurgence for their use in
> bundling data) Anyway, my question is, what's the difference between
> converting the record to a container and writing it, and writing the
> dataset?
>
> ...Now, I just tried it: To String>container, to File>container, and to
> Dataset. The last two look the same. The first is more readable, but
> what's the advantage?

You can write disparate records to a file if they are written
as containers.

A dataset can only have records that have identical structure.

Stan

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2654.45"><TITLE>RE: [vrf] RE: HashTable with Records in it??</TITLE></HEAD><BODY> Yep!> Never under-estimate the cool power of the container. If the > data is staying within the VEE system, then dumping the data > to file in container format is great in many cases. If I am > having to accommodate calibration data in a test system, then > dump all that data to file in container format (record of cal > data with timestamps, cal data etc). Then when I need it > again, just read from the file in container format. Takes > away a few headaches. However, with big cal data arrays, > ASCII files can get quite big. But... for most odd jobs of > this ilk, containers rock! > > Andy --- You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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reiner.schlieker Dec 9, 2004 10:14 AM
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Now THAT sounds useful to me - very useful. I'll have to explore that
further...(how come I've never heard this before? this is like the debug
console thing that was mentioned some time ago)

Reiner

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Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:09 PM
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"Schlieker, Reiner" <reiner.schlieker@siemens.com> wrote:
> Well, maybe this is a naive question, because I'm not as familiar with
> records as I should be (I got frustrated with their unflexibility early
on,
> and stopped using them. Now, I'm having a resurgence for their use in
> bundling data) Anyway, my question is, what's the difference between
> converting the record to a container and writing it, and writing the
> dataset?
>
> ...Now, I just tried it: To String>container, to File>container, and to
> Dataset. The last two look the same. The first is more readable, but
> what's the advantage?

You can write disparate records to a file if they are written
as containers.

A dataset can only have records that have identical structure.

Stan

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VRFuser Dec 9, 2004 3:59 PM
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> that have records as record.fields. VEE itself has no
> possibility to create such a structure but it can work with it.

You mean nested structures? Use Build Data and feed a record to a record
pin. Works like a champ.
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VRFuser Dec 9, 2004 6:08 PM
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12"><TITLE>Re: [vrf] HashTable with Records in it??</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>You can use the build record object to create records with record fields. You define a record constant and feed this constant to a build record input. This way, no need to edit an exported file.[Record constant] ----> [Build ... ] [Other field(s)] -----> [ ... Record] ----> [Record with record field] -----Message d'origine----- De: g.nied@gn-software.de [<A HREF="mailto:g.nied@gn-software.de">mailto:g.nied@gn-software.de</A>] Date: 10 dcembre 2004 06:38When you export a record as a container you can examine the format of the vee record structure. If you now change the ascii file (the container) according to the syntax you are able to reimport records as containters that have records as record.fields. VEE itself has no possibility to create such a structure but it can work with it.--- You are currently subscribed to vrf as: rsb@soco.agilent.com To subscribe send a blank email to "join-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To unsubscribe send a blank email to "leave-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com". To send messages to this mailing list, email "vrf@agilent.com". If you need help with the mailing list send a message to "owner-vrf@it.lists.it.agilent.com".</BODY></HTML>
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g.nied Dec 9, 2004 7:38 PM
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Is there a way to create a record where a field name is taken from an input pin?

/Sren

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VRFuser Dec 9, 2004 10:48 PM
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Yes you can, create the records on the fly wither you place a record into a
build data record input pin or build it using a container. The record will
always be global since it cannot be declared. Or at least I do not know how
to declare it.

rufus

-----Original Message-----
From: g.nied@gn-software.de [mailto:g.nied@gn-software.de]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 6:38 AM
To: VRF
Subject: [vrf] RE: HashTable with Records in it??

When you export a record as a container you can examine the format of the
vee record structure. If you now change the ascii file (the container)
according to the syntax you are able to reimport records as containters that
have records as record.fields. VEE itself has no possibility to create such
a structure but it can work with it.

best regards,

Georg

Georg Nied . Software-Development . Hansestr. 7 . 51149 Cologne . Germany
Tel: +49 (2203) 9770915 . Fax: +49 (2203) 9770924 . E-Mail:
info@gn-software.de

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VRFuser Dec 10, 2004 7:08 AM
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> Record on the Fly RULE!!

Data organization is the single most important consideration you'll ever
come across that determines success or failure (as far as programming goes
anyway). That and a cat. And really great music. And time.

"Your applications will live and die by their data structures.
--
Later,
Jerry.

The universe is a figment of its own imagination."

-SHAWN-
Yup, the most awesome piece of advice I was ever given.

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